114 thoughts on “It’s Back: Boeing 737 Max Flights to Hawaii Have Resumed”

  1. I have no worries about flying on the Max when it returns to the air. After all the issues being checked and rechecked and tested and tested, I think it will probably be the safest aircraft ever to fly again. No worries here

    1. It won’t be. The Max should never of been allowed to fly. It’s not a safe, reliable aircraft and Bowing knew it. But to them, making a profit was more important than passenger safety

  2. The issues with the 737 max are a result of Boeing putting profits ahead of safety at any cost….good on the American Pilots
    for having their priorities right, and good on Sully for his perspective…..where’s Southwest stand?

  3. Ran across this website with quite a bit of info on Max8.
    https://airlinerwatch.com/tag/737-max-8/
    The U.S. is not the only country with Max8 worries. One country was cancelling an order for a huge number of the planes. Many countries want Boeing to do a lot more testing and train ALL pilots on simulators (and there are very few of them). If this happens – it may be a while before the Max8 flies again. We have decided to fly Hawaiian – even though it means foregoing our ‘FREE companion pass’ this year on SWA. :0/ We had considered going – despite our fear – but decided to donate our miles to our son for a trip that he will take BEFORE Max8 flies again.

    Sadly, money seems to be the most important thing. Boeing knew a lot that they did not share and it cost lives. Maybe the first passengers on Max 8 should be Boeing Execs. ???

  4. Actually, the Max 800 will likely be the very safest plane to fly after it starts flying again due to all the oversight, scrutiny, and pilot over-attentiveness it will receive.

      1. Colleen, you mean besides the hard-to-turn trim wheel crank? What other serious design flaws does it have?

        1. Who knows what else there may be…..we do know this airplane was built with a philosophy of maximizing profits by cutting corners that they THOUGHT it was safe to do…..you certainly have to wonder what other corners were cut?
          The fact that they they still wanted to get away with minimizing pilot training to save money doesn’t exactly earn a lot of faith in Boeing right now.

        2. – Bigger engines required more ground clearance
          – Engine mounting is higher and more forward
          – AoA sensors: Boeing’s design only used one of the two
          – Customers were allowed to purchase planes without warning lights
          – The MCAS was designed to counteract the tendency of the nose on 737 Max jets to point up due to heavier engines being mounted in a more forward position on the wing than in previous versions of the 737

          1. The comment about the warning lights isn’t fully correct. One there isn’t a light that turned on for the warning, it is on the displays. (but that might have been in intention of your wording) There is a warning message that was part of the standard software that would identify when the AOA sensors we not in agreement. Boeing has already stated that an error in a update to the program tied this to a purchased option, which it was not suppose to be. The options that the customer could buy showed this data/warnings differently.

      2. Sure. Yeah, Coleen. The world’s oldest and largest and foremost airplane designer and manufacture–the same company that essentially designed and built every airplane you have ever flown on–suddenly just forgot how to design, test, and build airplanes.

    1. I also doubt this will be the case. Since Boeing was pushing profits it is hard to know what other areas could have been compromised. Time will tell. Hopefully no serious accidents will occur. The US based airlines have a great safety record the past 10-15 years. My largest concern as a flyer is with Southwest, an airline that I use a lot. They are replacing their current fleet with the Max aircraft, and plan to have nearly 300 of them in the coming years. If more issues or problems are found, this could seriously impact Southwest. Perhaps their one plane manufacturer / type may get challenged. Once the Max is approved to fly again I may postpone any planned trips on Southwest if the Max aircraft will be on the schedule. I think after 3 months with no issues, I will feel comfortable flying on this plane again. What do you all think?

  5. I For one will never knowingly fly on a max plane. Software glitch loses lives.? Pilots of both crashed airliners it has been proven did follow Beoing protocol. But they still crashed. Guess. Boeing gave the wrong protocol so how can we trust them with the next “protocol”? Also they only offered a safety feature for extra money not as a Standard feature. They have fear in their faces all right but o my because they may lose money. Kathy

    1. Not entirely a true statement. They did follow protocol to adjust aircraft trim, but they did not deactivate the software in question. Thus when they did follow the protocol the situation temporarily was corrected and then the software would take over and put the plane back in the dive. Any pilot must follow all protocols and be a pilot. There are times we must override a piece of software and fly the plane ourselves – sadly this is the skill being deteriorated in our system today.

      1. I say scrub all the ”plane flies itself” software – or most of it – and let pilots fly planes again. Max 8 had inadequate flight training. Pilots should have KNOWN what they needed to do to prevent disaster. They did not. Whose fault is it? BOEING.

      2. Troy — my recollection is Boeing had not even disclosed to pilots and airlines that the software (i.e., MCAS) was there in the first place. The pilots had to deactivate a software function that they didn’t even know existed and yet something that was all of a sudden acting up dramatically and trimming the nose repeatedly down into the ground. Just my 2 cents.

        1. It is a set of switches that have been on the NG too. It’s standard procedure for run away trim to flip these switched to the off position. It was not done on these crashes. (well we know Lion Air and may never know on ETH as of the government is handling this there but refusing to release all of the flight data from the FDR)

  6. Have concerns on a united flight we have to Maui in May–737 max 9 from SFO. Will jet be changed before then or can we just expect the max 9 to be “worry free”?

    1. Alaska only flies either the 737-800 or 737-900 extended range aircraft. There are currently no 737 Max aircraft in Alaska’s fleet. You will be fine and will be flying a great airline to paradise

  7. I have reservations on American Airlines for mid April
    To go to Hawaii the big island. I wonder if the
    Plane could be a 737 Max 8. What should I do
    I am very concerned. Which airline should I take if
    I can make a change?? Thanks

    1. Hi Kathy.

      We specifically addressed that yesterday. They have no Max flights to Hawaii at this time.

      Aloha.

  8. Thank you for the airframe updates (and thank you JeffL for the explanations). If AirCanada and other airlines were wise, they would immediately announce that until the software is patched, they were pulling the 737MAXes from active service; existing reservations would be honored and seats reassigned. It might mean a short-term loss, but which is worse: having people cancel flights and risking another crash, or temporarily grounding part of the fleet? Continuing to fly aircraft with known issues is a publicity nightmare.

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