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Hawaii Pivots: Strange New Rules, Some Easing Starts December | Troubles Loom

Many rules to change starting December 1, but some things will stay the same.

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  1. Glad to hear others agree. This is ridiculous and boarder line becoming a dictatorship. If people wanna wear masks the rest of their lives let them. Those of us that chose not to shouldn’t. Those that don’t want the jab shouldn’t. And enough about thinking of others…that argument doesn’t hold water when you look at the statistics. Natural immunity should be recognized.

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    1. “And enough about thinking of others…that argument doesn’t hold water when you look at the statistics. Natural immunity should be recognized.”

      That is the very reason this virus is still with us. PS there is NO natural immunity. NONE

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      1. What????? No natural immunity????
        nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
        Natural immunity should be recognized.
        It is all just soooo crazy.

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    2. I understand that many are afraid of the vaccine but that doesn’t change the fact that it saves lives. I wish you well and hope your immunity serves you well because hospitals everywhere have staffing shortages.

  2. “Each island can have different rules, and the state will no longer oversee these”

    How many Hawaii’s are there?

    If there are Hawaiian phrases for “taking command” and “being decisive” would someone please send them to the Governor. We potential visitors would very much appreciate it.

    In the meanwhile, best of luck to Hawaii and its tourism businesses trapped aboard this powerless contraption of state government drifting without a rudder on a sea of confusion and befuddlement.

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      1. Yes I have. We have 159 counties here in GA. And we are a heck of a lot bigger and more diverse in many respects than Hawaii.

        We have a Governor that understands he governs all 159 of these counties and holds himself accountable to the entire state – not just a county here and there as he might wish. Conflicts? Sure. But the Governor steps up and makes the call – for all Georgians.

        Piddly little traffic law differences don’t concern us.

        GA doesn’t allow hide and seek politics.

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  3. I think the whole process is not neccessary. We were there in September 2021 and the regulations were not being enforced and everything was fine. We need to stop the fear and get back to living.

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  4. With all the money wasted on “Safe travels”, Hawaii could have provided monoclonal centers. Obviously safe travels isn’t working if its returning residents who are supposed to have a negative test or the jab spreading covid? Once again, none of it makes sense and we are left with numerous empty promises such as dropping all restrictions at 70% vax rate. If he still has an emergency declaration, why did he open our state to international travelers who don’t have to use a trusted partner?

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  5. Coming from Florida where we have “do your own thing” regulations and forbidden mandates, 65,000 dead and who knows how many with ‘long COVID’, it was actually a pleasure to visit your beautiful state and feel safe with the protocols that are in place. We appreciated how seriously every establishment took the vaccination and masking rules. While the masks are a bit of a pain, it was all really ok. This was our only opportunity to come and it was lovely overall. Mahalo and Aloha.

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  6. What I don’t understand is it has been proven that alternative therapies have reduced dramatically the covid case count, has brought healing to a large percentage of population world wide who secured covid. Why are we so hesitant to permit these effectice solutions to be released on the market? Why??? This in and of itself will significantly reduce morbity, sickness. tourism here world come back to normal without masks without treating without vaccination. Let’s get real!

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  7. Still, no accommodation for those who have natural immunity, which has been proven to have better and longer lasting protection than the vaccines. But Hawaii should not be criticized for this, as they are following guidelines from the CDC and FDA, who have themselves ignored natural immunity. But as more breakthrough cases emerge among those vaccinated, and compared with the almost zero repeat cases of those with natural immunity, maybe natural immunity will finally be accommodated.

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    1. What is your definition of ‘natural immunity’? Someone who has had Covid? Or someone who has an intact immune system? I don’t know of any quantitative studies published to establish that ‘natural immunity’ gives better immunity than the approved vaccines.
      At the current time (at least on the mainland) a large majority of the hospitalizations and deaths have been unvaccinated patients. Do you assume that they did not have ‘natural immunity’?

      Lambert C.

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      1. Natural immunity is the term used to indicate what results when you successfully recover from COVID. Maybe a better term is “acquired immunity”, which Heyward B uses below. As for sources for natural immunity being more effective than vaccines, since links are not allowed here, google “Cleveland Clinic natural immunity”. Lots of data there. Also, google “Israel Study natural immunity” where you will find “natural immunity is 13 times more effective than vaccines in protecting individuals.”

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    2. Rob elected government officials and big pharma are only interested in paid for immunity. Natural immunity does not buy them an estate on Kauai.

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    3. Hello Rob L.

      Acquired immunity is an anathema to the politics of vaccine mandates. As such it must be placed aside.

      Ironically, given the very long timeline of human interaction with viruses and other disease causing factors, it is acquired immunity that is probably the single most significant trait that permits us to be present today so that we may deny it works.

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  8. Let’s get real for a moment. If most covid cases are generated from Hawaii residents returning from their travels, why has it become so difficult for government officials to acknowledge and maintain some consistent protocol to keep each island safe?

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  9. Masks don’t work. Read the disclaimer on the box. People will say “they help”- where is your proof?
    And now it turns out vaccinations don’t work either- you can get it and spread it…and not only that, many hospitals report their patients with CoVid are vaccinated.
    The only solution is to let people have their freedom. If you don’t want CoVid, avoid people. Take care of your immunity with exercise, good food and vitamins- stay strong.
    Stop with all the mandates, now.

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    1. Agree. Also, CDC quietly changed their definition of “vaccine” in October, removing the word “immunity” and replacing it with “protection”, thereby acknowledging that the vaccines do not prevent COVID.

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    2. And yet, here I am, forced to wear a mask 9 hours a day, just to make a living here on Maui. Maddening. Freedom means nothing to dine in charge, it seems.

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    3. Jennifer W…Wow! We will be Covid free if we keep our freedoms! I didn’t realize that’s all it took for this state/country/ world to achieve to get rid of Covid (be Covid free)! So it’s not a medical condition at all! Gotta look into this!… And maybe I can also get my money back from the medical school my son got his medical degree from!

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    4. The mandates are the reason Hawaii has one of the lowest per capita infection, hospitalization and death rates in the country!

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    5. Yeah. **Jennifer**. I totally agree. I traveled for pleasure every 2-3 weeks during COVID and did exactly what you said. Thank God for common sense. A 70 yr old retired building contractor living the dream. That’s my motto..Tom Petty. “Don’t back down”**

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    6. Exactly. There’s a reason why a vaccine has never been successfully created for coronaviruses, which essentially, in laymans terms are a cold. The Covid is never going away, as its always been here, just under different alias’.

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    7. Jennifer. A lot of misinformation in one post. Most of the hospitalized are not “The vaccinated”. The unvaccinated are the ones filling up hospitals. Yes the vaccinated can sometimes still get sick from COVID, but the severity of the sickness is a lot less. Vaccinated chances of catching COVID are greatly reduced. Not quite 100%, but very close. Mask by themselves don’t work. Ask a medical professional about the “Swiss cheese” method of dealing with infectious disease.

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      1. Jennifer did not say that most of the hospitalizations are vaccinated. She said “many hospitals report their patients with CoVid are vaccinated.” That doesn’t mean that most of those patients are vaccinated. I have friends who had breakthrough cases, one hospitalized with 102 fever. Sick for three weeks. I had COVID last November, only wear a mask when in a medical facility, haven’t had a recurrence or been sick at all for that matter.

        1. Throw in the fact that when (it’s rare) a “vaccinated person does get hospitalized, the average stay is 3-4 days , an unvaccinated patients is 3-4 weeks.
          Almost all the COVID deaths now are unvaccinated….it’s also true that the vaccinated are less likely to spread Covid then the unvaccinated.
          Bottom line is if everyone got vaccinated that could we wouldn’t be having this discussion. A lot of misinformation being spread by the anti vax side of the argument.

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    8. COVID is simplistic in mission. Persistent, evasive, and quick to adapt to success or failure. It remains true to the most fundamental workings of nature.

      Conversely, our COVID responses are complex, sluggish, unwieldy, self-inflicting, and divisive. They contemplate no definition of success. We are conflicted as to our science, our processes, our materials, and even the meaning of our words.

      It is not surprising that two years on we remain relegated to be hunted; rather than be hunters.

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      1. Heyward, you are right. Covid got politicized and truth became a casualty. Somehow we have devolved into country that accepts lying, name calling and misinformation as an acceptable discourse, The result is “personal freedom” is more important then what is best for all. We have become a country that some won’t even wear a mask for a little while to possibly save a life.

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    9. Jennifer, this isn’t about the people that have the chance to fight Covid with “good food, exercise and vitamins “, it’s about everyone. I agree lifestyle is a factor, but it’s way more complex then that. It’s not just about you, it’s about everyone you encounter on a day to day basis.

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  10. So it looks like Hawiians will live the rest of their lives with masks on the guv gets his way. Doesn’t Hawaii have recall elections? If they don’t they should.

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