186 thoughts on “Mandatory Contact Tracing Approved by Governor”
Jim R.
Aloha Guys!
So what happens, if you’re a single traveler with no mobile device? Apparently you’ll be forced to be shackled to your hotel/home for 10 days, because you chose not to have one or can’t afford one?
This says nothing about people who will be “free” (or not so free in Maui now) to travel, by proving they’ve been vaccinated. So, it appears, they will also be tracked, based on these rules? And as you stated, “why would it not apply to the entire state?”
There are so many other issues with this, besides the obvious government intrusion of privacy. How do you even realistically enforce this? Anyone can remove the app, turn off GPS, turn off the phone or leave the phone at home.
HPD won’t be pulling people over, without probable cause, and even if they did, how would they know when you traveled? It’s not like people have to disclose any information about their travel plans with police. “You have the right to remain silent…” There is literally no way to enforce this, except for an “honor system”.
Here’s real gut check…when Government tells people they Have to do something (especially something that potentially violates civil liberties), many people are going to resist.
This is just one more stupid move by Ige that will clearly hinder the reopening of Hawaii’s main economic engine.🤦♂️
Thanks for the update Guys…do you think this will be extending to other islands?
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Jim.
We would have thought that if it was good enough for Maui it would have been good for the whole state of Hawaii. But we have no idea.
Aloha.
SandyB
If this goes to the whole state, we will definitely cancel our trip in March. Feel sorry for the VRBO/AirBnb owners who depend on tourists to help pay their mortgages, not to mention all the other workers in the industry.
John T
The inconsistent and rapidly changing rules make it ever more difficult to decide when to travel to any of the islands. A big concern, or even fear, is that the rules will change while we are there. Very stressful even to contemplate. We (6 of us) will not be spending a dime in Hawai’i for the forseeable future.
Linda B
I agree Lori. Geez.
Rich D.
Very Well Said Jim R.
I agree 100%. There is zero resources to enforce this.
Mary kay M
I agree totally with all your comments. No way to enforce, completely unconstitutional, why only Maui. It’s all insane.
Stacy J.
Seriously? I think our days of visiting Hawaii are over. What’s next, everyone arriving gets an ankle monitor? All the fun of a relaxing vacation has been sucked out by covid crazy paranoia. We cancelled in 2020 and already booked a trip elsewhere for Spring 2021. Hope someone over there figures out a way to make a buck without tourists.
Jeff L
I’m not really concerned about using the contact tracing app, so long is it doesn’t restrict what I am able to do (since I already plan to socially distance, etc.). I am flying to Maui in a few weeks and it is already somewhat of a gamble someone could test positive (or have a false positive) which would force cancellation or quarantine.
In regards to this app, if we are exposed to someone that tests positive, what does that mean – do they simply inform us as an FYI? Will they force me and my family to get tested again or quarantine? What if I park next to someone at Honolua Bay and we leave our phones locked up in our cars to go snorkeling. If phones are within 6 feet but the families never even see one another, have we made unacceptable contact according to the app? Will they come after me if I turn off my phone to save my battery while snorkeling?
Rebecca H
Likely you’ll be tracked down and forced to quarantine. As my husband said, what happens when we are walking through the airport on arrival and come into contact with someone who is positive? Ironically a COVID positive person would likely be a Hawaiian resident and not a visitor since they will have tested negative within the prior 72 hours. Interesting that residents aren’t being forced to download one of these apps. Unfortunately Hawaii will not be getting our tourist dollars. We are going elsewhere.
Dn
Is that how it works? Forced to quarantine? I don’t see that anywhere.
JC C
This county and this leadership continue to lean on the excuse of visitors creating the uptick. Frankly, the numbers don’t lie and there needs to be accountability with locals. No more scapegoating. This is just as ridiculous as Kauai. Furthermore, if you were going to exert any kind of governmental regulation then they should have dealt with the cluster at Harbor.
What are we trying to solve with this?
Mahalo
JCC
Walter E.
BOH- thanks for the great and timely updates! I just don’t get the need for the contact tracing when so few cases have come from visitors. It will absolutely slow down the number of travelers. Perhaps that is the intent.
Also, any word on whether the pre-travel testing will be waived for those with proof of vaccination? I recall a hearing (perhaps from one of your recent posts) that it could occur by February.
Thanks again!
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Walter.
Thanks. There is nothing official yet from the state regarding vaccine travel.
Aloha.
TheDavid B
Nice to have Maui come up with something that makes Kauai’s “Bubble Resort” plan more enticing.
Linda T
After so many starts and stops, we are resigned to the fact that travel is out until 1. We are vaccinated and 2. The place we want to visit has the COVID situation well under control. We have had to cancel our latest planned trip to Maui and have been squashed at every attempt to rebook.
We’ll give it another year and see where things stand, but for now, now is not the time to visit the Islands.
Elay S
Why are you giving up on Hawaii? Where will you go? Im one for less tourists tho. Too many over the years. Thank you.
anthony p
I am a senior citizen, and really don’t know what, or how to do an “app”. Therefore, I am assuming that the state of Hawaii no longer wants me to travel to the Islands. If that is not correct. please e-mail me the reason for your answer.
Thani you. (Hawaii visitor –military–from 1962 to 1981 with sporadic vacations during that time) and vacation visitor from 1982 to 2015 for usually 11+ weeks on the four major islands, until my wife wasn’t able to fly.)
Tony
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Tony.
That’s an interesting point. If the people in your group or all seniors and no one has a smartphone, it does not seem like there is any provision at this time.
Aloha.
Ken B
Missing from the proclamation is what happens if you get “popped” for being in incidental contact with someone who ends up with CV? Vacation over – hello quarantine? Seems like a huge risk to take with your vacation without more detail on what happens then…
All these apps rely on Bluetooth LE to work. Just turn bluetooth off whenever you leave the condo. Problem solved. Alternatively, get a faraday bag on amazon for your phone and keep the app & bluetooth enabled in case the police want to see it (but don’t police have to get a warrant to inspect your phone?). There’s a nice drybag model available.
Also, I’d suggest to not enable the app until you’re just off the plane and you can social distance so as to avoid “positives” from others sitting near you within the detection range on the flight.
Dn
Faraday bag keeps phone from being tracked even with GPS and app on?
Ken B
A well – designed faraday bag should block all signals to/from the phone (cell, BT, WiFi, GPS, NFC)
David B
How about just turning your phone OFF? No power. No signals. No problem. Need to use it for a few minutes? Turn it on when you are not near anyone (the polite thing to do in any event). Then, when done, turn it back OFF. No faraday bag needed.
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Aloha Guys!
So what happens, if you’re a single traveler with no mobile device? Apparently you’ll be forced to be shackled to your hotel/home for 10 days, because you chose not to have one or can’t afford one?
This says nothing about people who will be “free” (or not so free in Maui now) to travel, by proving they’ve been vaccinated. So, it appears, they will also be tracked, based on these rules? And as you stated, “why would it not apply to the entire state?”
There are so many other issues with this, besides the obvious government intrusion of privacy. How do you even realistically enforce this? Anyone can remove the app, turn off GPS, turn off the phone or leave the phone at home.
HPD won’t be pulling people over, without probable cause, and even if they did, how would they know when you traveled? It’s not like people have to disclose any information about their travel plans with police. “You have the right to remain silent…” There is literally no way to enforce this, except for an “honor system”.
Here’s real gut check…when Government tells people they Have to do something (especially something that potentially violates civil liberties), many people are going to resist.
This is just one more stupid move by Ige that will clearly hinder the reopening of Hawaii’s main economic engine.🤦♂️
Thanks for the update Guys…do you think this will be extending to other islands?
Hi Jim.
We would have thought that if it was good enough for Maui it would have been good for the whole state of Hawaii. But we have no idea.
Aloha.
If this goes to the whole state, we will definitely cancel our trip in March. Feel sorry for the VRBO/AirBnb owners who depend on tourists to help pay their mortgages, not to mention all the other workers in the industry.
The inconsistent and rapidly changing rules make it ever more difficult to decide when to travel to any of the islands. A big concern, or even fear, is that the rules will change while we are there. Very stressful even to contemplate. We (6 of us) will not be spending a dime in Hawai’i for the forseeable future.
I agree Lori. Geez.
Very Well Said Jim R.
I agree 100%. There is zero resources to enforce this.
I agree totally with all your comments. No way to enforce, completely unconstitutional, why only Maui. It’s all insane.
Seriously? I think our days of visiting Hawaii are over. What’s next, everyone arriving gets an ankle monitor? All the fun of a relaxing vacation has been sucked out by covid crazy paranoia. We cancelled in 2020 and already booked a trip elsewhere for Spring 2021. Hope someone over there figures out a way to make a buck without tourists.
I’m not really concerned about using the contact tracing app, so long is it doesn’t restrict what I am able to do (since I already plan to socially distance, etc.). I am flying to Maui in a few weeks and it is already somewhat of a gamble someone could test positive (or have a false positive) which would force cancellation or quarantine.
In regards to this app, if we are exposed to someone that tests positive, what does that mean – do they simply inform us as an FYI? Will they force me and my family to get tested again or quarantine? What if I park next to someone at Honolua Bay and we leave our phones locked up in our cars to go snorkeling. If phones are within 6 feet but the families never even see one another, have we made unacceptable contact according to the app? Will they come after me if I turn off my phone to save my battery while snorkeling?
Likely you’ll be tracked down and forced to quarantine. As my husband said, what happens when we are walking through the airport on arrival and come into contact with someone who is positive? Ironically a COVID positive person would likely be a Hawaiian resident and not a visitor since they will have tested negative within the prior 72 hours. Interesting that residents aren’t being forced to download one of these apps. Unfortunately Hawaii will not be getting our tourist dollars. We are going elsewhere.
Is that how it works? Forced to quarantine? I don’t see that anywhere.
This county and this leadership continue to lean on the excuse of visitors creating the uptick. Frankly, the numbers don’t lie and there needs to be accountability with locals. No more scapegoating. This is just as ridiculous as Kauai. Furthermore, if you were going to exert any kind of governmental regulation then they should have dealt with the cluster at Harbor.
What are we trying to solve with this?
Mahalo
JCC
BOH- thanks for the great and timely updates! I just don’t get the need for the contact tracing when so few cases have come from visitors. It will absolutely slow down the number of travelers. Perhaps that is the intent.
Also, any word on whether the pre-travel testing will be waived for those with proof of vaccination? I recall a hearing (perhaps from one of your recent posts) that it could occur by February.
Thanks again!
Hi Walter.
Thanks. There is nothing official yet from the state regarding vaccine travel.
Aloha.
Nice to have Maui come up with something that makes Kauai’s “Bubble Resort” plan more enticing.
After so many starts and stops, we are resigned to the fact that travel is out until 1. We are vaccinated and 2. The place we want to visit has the COVID situation well under control. We have had to cancel our latest planned trip to Maui and have been squashed at every attempt to rebook.
We’ll give it another year and see where things stand, but for now, now is not the time to visit the Islands.
Why are you giving up on Hawaii? Where will you go? Im one for less tourists tho. Too many over the years. Thank you.
I am a senior citizen, and really don’t know what, or how to do an “app”. Therefore, I am assuming that the state of Hawaii no longer wants me to travel to the Islands. If that is not correct. please e-mail me the reason for your answer.
Thani you. (Hawaii visitor –military–from 1962 to 1981 with sporadic vacations during that time) and vacation visitor from 1982 to 2015 for usually 11+ weeks on the four major islands, until my wife wasn’t able to fly.)
Tony
Hi Tony.
That’s an interesting point. If the people in your group or all seniors and no one has a smartphone, it does not seem like there is any provision at this time.
Aloha.
Missing from the proclamation is what happens if you get “popped” for being in incidental contact with someone who ends up with CV? Vacation over – hello quarantine? Seems like a huge risk to take with your vacation without more detail on what happens then…
All these apps rely on Bluetooth LE to work. Just turn bluetooth off whenever you leave the condo. Problem solved. Alternatively, get a faraday bag on amazon for your phone and keep the app & bluetooth enabled in case the police want to see it (but don’t police have to get a warrant to inspect your phone?). There’s a nice drybag model available.
Also, I’d suggest to not enable the app until you’re just off the plane and you can social distance so as to avoid “positives” from others sitting near you within the detection range on the flight.
Faraday bag keeps phone from being tracked even with GPS and app on?
A well – designed faraday bag should block all signals to/from the phone (cell, BT, WiFi, GPS, NFC)
How about just turning your phone OFF? No power. No signals. No problem. Need to use it for a few minutes? Turn it on when you are not near anyone (the polite thing to do in any event). Then, when done, turn it back OFF. No faraday bag needed.