The state is largely incapable of policing fake vaccination cards being used for Hawaii travel.
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Since it’s been shown that natural immunity provides stronger and longer protection than the vaccine, if Hawaii has three approved apps for providing verification of vaccination, why not an app that proves you have natural immunity? That would address the many travelers who want to come to Hawaii but have no need for the vaccine, or the desire to get it.
That is just not true and you know it. Stop spreading misinformation. Studies have shown that for people that have already had Covid and get vaccinated they get Covid a second time at half the rate as those who are not vaccinated. So no, natural protection is not better than vaccination.
It is not misinformation. I refer you to the study out of Israel two weeks ago that studied those vaccinated, those unvaccinated, and those with natural immunity that showed those with natural immunity had a “stronger and longer” protection against COVID than those fully vaccinated. BOH comment policy says we are not allowed to post links, but a simple Google search will show you the report. Also, if you Google “Natural Immunity vs. COVID-19 Vaccination: What the CDC Isn’t Telling You About the Science”, you will again find natural immunity is better than with the vaccine. So please, no critical remarks when you obviously have not been keeping up with the research.
Unfortunately, where there is a will, there is a way. No matter what systems and protocols they put in place there will always be someone who will find a way to beat it and the people who do follow the rules will always be the ones to suffer the consequences. With all the security measures the feds have for social security and Medicare, there are still people who manage to find a way to abuse the system. If they are looking for a method that is 100% resistant to counterfeits and hacks they will never find it. What they may find, however, is as they require more technology and more testing and more tracing there will be fewer and fewer people who are willing to go through so much stress to have a Hawaiian vacation. I would say the majority of folks who travel to the islands in the winter months are of retirement age and many of those folks are not tech savvy. I would think that adding more tech hoops to jump through would negatively affect the number of people who travel to the island, which is yet one more nail in the economic coffin for the good people of Hawaii. My suggestion would be to concentrate on where the real problem is coming from and according to the officials, the majority of cases are unvaxed locals. If they can get a handle on them, then the rest should fall in to place, because 99.9% of the people who are tourists are honest and have come there the legal way.
This is constantly bandied about but NO ONE is talking about guys like me, ladies like my wife, or people like my 8 year old grandson; we all had COVID, went through the wringer, made it out alive. Worldwide there are no verified cases of re-infection. All statistics to date show natural immunity to COVID is consistently more effective than any of the vaccines. The vaccines have a followed, verifiable breakthrough infection rate whereas recovered individuals nave zero history of reinfection nor is there any evidence a recovered person can transmit COVID to another person. In lieu of the vaccine card a letter of recovery from the local BOH should be more than adequate.
When we were diagnosed with COVID we were shoved off to make it or die. If we were alive two weeks later they emailed a letter certifying we had COVID and had recovered.
I do not take the flu shot every year (and never get the flu); I am comfortable with recovery and done.
I talk about guys like you (and me) all the time. My wife and I had COVID back in November- mild cases, but we recovered in about two weeks. We have not gotten the vaccine because we already had COVID and now have natural immunity. Since the vaccine (and the now being pushed boosters) only addressed the spike protein and not the variants, there are numerous “breakthrough” cases. A friend received the Pfizer vaccine three months ago, and three weeks ago came down with a hard case of COVID. 102 Temperature, hard time breathing, still hasn’t recovered his senses of taste and smell. I’ve heard of no reinfections of those with natural immunity. Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson on the Fox News channel have almost nightly reports on the benefits of natural immunity over the vaccine. A recent study out of Israel, substantiated by other agencies, said that natural immunity gives a person “stronger and longer” protection against the virus than those receiving the vaccine. So, you are not alone. Others on this site also support you. I only wish Hawaii, and the federal government for that matter, would except antibody tests as valid evidence of protection vs a stupid vaccination passport.
Certain news people – it’s been long proven they are putting out misinformation. I trust scientists not talking media fixed news people
i sure hope so
time to stop giving the vaccinated super-spreaders a pass and get back to testing everyone
Lol you all just need to get vaccinated. We wouldn’t have variants I’d talk were not spreading it all around
Aloha BOH Bro’s
My first look at my CDC vac card I was like my Costco Membership Card has more security measures than this piece of card stock.
The card is just your record. It’s all filed in government and medical offices plenty secure. This is why people are getting locked up for using fake cards
That’s funny 😆 do you think every restaurant owner, bartender, shopkeeper, gym owner or bouncer is going on a government or passport website to verify your CDC vaccination card is legit.
I suggest you see how these brain surgeons were busted it had nothing to do with a government or passport verification website.
Laugh all you want but I’m a lawsuit if you didn’t verify their ID or got it wrong your going to lose that lawsuit
It would be the first time in my life so could Honestly support a “black market” industry.
First, vaccinations are often required when traveling internationally. Second, at least one of the Covid vaccines is now FDA approved. These two facts have long been respected by medical professionals and seasoned travelers.
With these two facts in mind, it makes sense to mandate a vaccination passport. For those who choose not to be vaccinated, for whatever reason, they can choose to continue to be tested every 48 to 72 hours.
Some version of this is now unfolding in New York, so Hawaii could do the same thing. My wife works for a hospital in the Midwest, and the intensive care unit is full of Covid patients who have not been vaccinated. Several people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s have died in the last month. These deaths are tragic. Sadly, their presence in the ICU has displaced other patients with heart conditions, strokes, and accidents who desperately need medical care.
I know the leadership in Hawaii is bickering. However, my hope is cooler heads will prevail and they will institute some kind of vaccination mandate, with optional testing protocols.
“First, vaccinations are often required when traveling internationally. Second, at least one of the Covid vaccines is now FDA approved. These two facts have long been respected by medical professionals and seasoned travelers.
With these two facts in mind, it makes sense to mandate a vaccination passport.”
no it doesn’t
you ignored the most pressing question of all.. does the covid vacciantion stop the spread of covid? since the answer is obviously no, your other two questions are irrelevant
Hello Matt V.
I read your well thought comments with interest. My consideration of them led me into a question or two.
Although I do not totally agree with the basis in each and every instance, I can understand the foundations for the implementation of temporary anti-COVID measures such as checking vaccination status, lock downs, limited hours, etc. I think our reasonable expectation is these are all measures that will in short time be reversed.
We hear the call for vaccine mandates.
But we know a vaccine injected into a person is for the remainder of that life. Those that would vaccinate a person cannot in the future undo this.
This led me to ponder who might hold authority to order a vaccination mandate? Upon what legal and moral bases? And if time is the imperative, how much due process should be (could be) afforded the unwilling before vaccinating them?
When does the impact of vaccine passports, 48 to 72 hour testing requirements, and restrictions upon free movement move from being a mere “inconvenience” to your rights to being “inconsistent” with your rights?
Or should we simply throw these concerns in the dumpster of expediency, roll up our sleeves, clutch our papers, and hope for the best?
What is the Clear app and how do I get it.
You’ll find it on the official Hawaii travel site – travel.Hawaii.gov
I could not find the app on the Safe Travels website Bree suggested.
Try this official Hawaii website, under “Digital Health” …
hawaiicovid19.com/travel-partners/
Let me see if I understand this.
State officials have uncovered “several” instances of persons utilizing fake vaccination cards to attempt to enter Hawaii. The fear of course is that they may be proverbial “Typhoid Marys”.
Meanwhile, 20+% of Hawaiians have not received any COVID vaccine whatsoever despite Hawaii having received ~350,000 more doses of vaccine than it has administered.
Do I have this about correct?
It’s good to know they are on top of this.
OK, Danno, book ’em.
You make a great point!
Yeah one is personal choice (which I disagree with they should get vaccinated) not to get it.
The other is a fraudulent attempt to enter the state with a fake vaccine card.
Make them show the document which is uploaded to the state vaccination database, you can get it from your doctor or on your state’s website. it is a bar code. Fake cards were on the internet two days after vaccines were being given. At first The cdc never gave our hospital enough cards for the amount of vaccines we had to distribute and our marketing dept made them in two seconds so we could provide them to those receiving the vaccine. bar code…that is the way to go