81 thoughts on “Hawaii “Annual Passport” Visitor Fees Exposed”
Eva B
Just came from spending a couple of days in Waikiki …so sad what has become of it. Trash travels and it’s the same ocean …I think we should start there! People who hike in parks are usually pretty conscious of their natural environment. If you want, hire people who make sure that they are!
This is idiotic.No one will visit here .Hotels are ridiculously expensive.Food is astronomically expensive You can’t even find rental cars.Hawaii better start looking to other resources for income because you are systematically ruining tourism
I am always surprised that nobody mentions “timeshares”. Ever since most resorts became timeshares, you have more and more people come in large groups and families. Stop giving permits for more time shares! Individual travelers are rarely the problem.
Just increase the landing fees, if that is practicable, for each inbound aircraft and put that money towards ecotourism, conservation, etc. The airlines will raise ticket prices by a few shekels to compensate. Simple. That way, everyone who flies in whether local or tourist, will be equal stakeholders in paying to maintain Hawaii’s beauty. The taxes and fees won’t be solely paid by visitors. I don’t know if that’s legal, but it sound like a more equitable approach than what has been proposed.
So sorry to see all of the fees. It will put off many visitors which may be the intent. I have been to Hawaii many times, so most likely I will walk to beaches from my resort.
I am sorry for new visitors as no one likes to feel that the State is taking advantage of them. The other sad note is that governments never use the money as intended. Think of all of the lotteries that were supposed to support education, and how the government reallocated the funds.
Maui needs to improve bus service. Oahu has a TheBus. Learn from them. If there is adequate bus service, less parking is needed. When I lived on Oahu, I rode the bus. I saved enough parking fees to more than pay for a monthly bus pass. Time schedules and routes were convenient. Maui needs to improve transportation opportunities. It won’t generate Green Fees but it would help traffic and lack of parking.
Aloha! So, as I have heard from many who live in Hawaii, they aren’t “Disneyland” and wish visitors wouldn’t act like it, But now they want to sell “annual passes” for entrance to certain areas. Kinda sounds “Disneyland-like” to me.
All the best to Hawaii as they transition from a tourist economy. It will take many hard economic years ahead of them, but if they work really hard they can make that dream come true.
I don’t understand all the hullabaloo against paying a fee to try to keep the islands afloat. My main concern is the monies stay in the county they were paid and all of it doesn’t go to the larger population of Oahu. We love Kauai and want to visit each year and hopefully our small contribution helps it to continue to thrive.
Haha! “Welcome to Hawaii” I remember when all 50 states agreed that state parks, etc. would be funded by convention revenue methods (sales tax, etc.), although many do have a $5 “beach fee.”
This is quite a gouge at $50 apiece (family of 4 is $200 if they’re older teens).
Just for a lark I looked at what a typical tourist is seeing when they book a room. Most say “not including taxes and fees” and when you click to see what that is have your heart attack medicine handy! The cost goes up by about 33% Right Now!
What that doesn’t show is all the fees and extras already in place for rental cars, airport tax, etc. I think they should have a giant board at City, County, and State meetings that shows all non-primary costs in Hawaii!
With this type of legislation flooding the session, is there any movement on the 90 day minimum stay requirement for condos outside the original Waikiki/Kapahulu boundary? This is to take affect April 23 this year.
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With this type of legislation flooding the session, is there any movement on the 90 day minimum stay requirement for condos outside the original Waikiki/Kapahulu boundary? This is to take affect April 23 this year.
Will these stupid fees(money grab)go into effect this year? If so…when?I hope not! He says he wants to keep the ‘low-lifes’ away. This is just another way to knuckle & dime the tourists.
Somehow I doubt that Gov. Greene described anyone as “low lifes”. Big money doesn’t mean better people ….we need eco conscious and responsible tourists and most of those are not rich. However, they will respect the ocean, natural habits and might even volonteer to clean up beaches. Personally, I feel that we should hire some locals to educate the public and impose fees for leaving plastic bottles & trash on beaches (although I have seen many locals leaving trash behind or even throwing trash out of their cars). Let’s start with education and have a number to call to get enforcement.
I think our new governor referred to people as “budget travelers,” the same way the Mayor of Kauai referred to “coupon clippers.” Sad that is what they think of hard working individuals, who save for years to visit our state. Neither lawmakers have shown much Aloha to tourists.
Budget Travelers is an Amazing upgrade from what he initially referred to the average traveler as, it’s as if we were to refer to him as an ambulance chasing hack of a quack and nothing but the ordinary do nothing, give me the money and power, Politician. I have always been told to listen quietly to what a “Politician” says to determine exactly what/who his/her policies shall benefit and also how he/she thinks of the common people. I’ve already made my own mind up as to Governor Green, you all can make up your own mind, it’s not that hard.
I guess weve been what I would call budget travellers.
My first visit was in 1965 on a 1 day layover on the return from Japan. Courtesy of the USMC. Since the 1970’s, probably every 18 months on average. Bought a timeshare on Waikiki about 25-30 years ago. Before that, it was at one of the Outriggers. The Reef and what is now the Hokulani.
Gov Green – add it up. On the low side, 35 trips of 2-8 people. $105000 spent in Hawaii or getting there – that’s the lowest for 2 people over 35 years. Average for 2 people is probably double that. Gov Green, is that what you want to give up?
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Ernie S.
Hi Rod, Governor Green is playing both sides against the middle. With the extensive construction projects underway and others planned to begin all within the Hotel/Resort/Timeshare Industry the plans are to reduce the middle and lower class tourists in favor of those who will purchase and use all of this. We are targeted for extinction and it’s their plan. When the problems increase, after we’re gone, the screaming will be heard to the shores of California I hope. The 9th Island will get crowded quickly, hope the Illegals like slave labor conditions.
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RodW
Hi Ernie,
So many elected politicians seem to think they can overcome the law of supply and demand. Of course they think taxing the rich is the secret. But money has legs and it will move to places where the return in greatest.
Gov Green is just another who thinks he has a new economic reality.
BTW, I’m not so active here because I can’t connect from my computer and I hate typing on my phone.
Aloha.
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Ernie S.
Green sees money growing in every Tourist’s Pocket, currently he’s keeping people happy by creating policies to reduce the middle and lower income Vacationers but in the next 24 months expects to increase the numbers immensely. The expansion of Timeshare Units and New Hotels in Honolulu need occupancy and split new owners, that won’t occur without a huge influx. 2 years should show improvement in the supply chain and Illegals to work in every available position. They have a plan and no one sees it coming! Take care Rod!
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james c
as usual these fees will backfire on the government and only cost the locals
I was born and raised in Hawaii and now reside on the Mainland. I return home to visit every year to visit friends and family. Hawaii in general and Kaua’i in particular are now “nickel and dimeing” us more and more. It seems that Kaua’i is fostering division between visitors and residents. Very sad!
I’m 76 years old and in my experience everything our Government gets involved in they screw up. Especially when it comes to fees. You have all seen many examples of misspent Covid Programs.
I hope that all of these additional costs forced onto visitors don’t have the negative effects that I am envisioning.
Amen, “Bite the hand that feeds them”, resonates. Ige escaped his failure, purloining the County Tourist a Taxes from Maui, Kauai, Hawaii and Lanai for his ‘General Fund’, forcing them to raise Room Taxes, now it’s Green’s turn. The Federal Subsidy that covered Locals not working, is not going to continue, being supported by Taxation from the Mainland amortized and paid to Hawaii, a State, who’s Unemployment a Benefits are over $500,000,000.00 upside down, there needs to be rational thought solutions, Tourists who are getting diminished experiences from past visits, will make their own decisions, so much for Aloha! A hui Hou.
Jon you’re speaking with authority, you have witnessed the events unfurl over time and know the effects well. Hawaii is in desperate need of continuous Oversight on every Contract, Everything that State and Local Governments do. Every Dollar Needs to be accounted for and the people should know where it goes. Fiscal Accountability, Needs Based Spending, Fair Bidding, Guaranees on all work performed, Assurity Performance Bonds, and Stiff Penalties for Contract Infringements. If it were to occur the money for affordable housing would mysteriously appear, but able bodied people would be forced to work. There are many other things that can be implemented to help Hawaii and Hawaiians, they just need to demand it!
BOH, you mentioned Waimea Canyon entry & parking fees. Where does that money go? Have you been there lately? We were there last month, the first time in 10 years. Have you seen how filthy the bathrooms are? The handicapped bathroom looks like it hadn’t been cleaned in 10 years! I’ll stay on my mountain in Volcano, thank you. Kauai mayor says he doesn’t want coupon clippers & Green doesn’t want budget travelers. Friends come to visit from the mainland, we visit other islands on a budget.
As I consider everything that the article addresses I begin to laugh at every voter that voted these gems of politics into office. Indecisive doesn’t cover Stupidity, that’s what Hawaii seems to do Best. The water downed versions will be available for inspection once they have several more expensive meals to discuss their superbowl party plans.
I was a regular visitor who loves and respects Hawaii and its culture. Unfortunately with all the hate towards tourists and the endless nickel and diming I’ve been exploring other places in the world to enjoy my time. It makes me sad to not be going every yr anymore but it’s really gotten ridiculous. Be careful what you wish for. You may not like what you are left w.
Purchasing our retirement home in Kauai, we transition from annual tourists to locals.
Having worked in finance for a City in CA for 30 years, too often these progressive programs just become more misdirected funds.
There are already high tourist targeted fees and taxes. How well is that managed?
Reading often about the environmental damage or waste tourism creates, I find it interesting nothing is done concerning a problem completely local. Rotting old junk cars both on private and public land!
Recent drives( Oct, Nov, and Dec) from Poipu to Hanalei the same stripped vehicles were seen in multiple locations.
A drive through many residential areas it’s very common to see old junk cars the locals at best mow the grass around for years!
Oh dear. If a few abandoned cars is the only environmental problem you can come up with then you’re not really paying attention. The tourism industry is inherently polluting and wasteful. Maybe try reading up on it – you’ll be amazed. Mahalo!
The Japanese own the overwhelming # of the Hotel Properties already, managed by the likes of Marriott, Hyatt etc., think not, that China will not be trying to buy up land in Hawaii as they control the Panama Canal, and Waimanalo’s own, BHO, introduced them to the Islands, inviting them to participate in RIMPAC w/Russia in defense of the Pacific (from whom, if not they and Russia) they see as they do Guam, Midway a bridge to dominance in the Pacific Rim, be careful what you wish for! An island off of NW Australia was purchased from Australia, now citizens are forbidden access.
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Ernie S.
Randy, you didn’t mention that the Chinese have been “Investing” in many islands within the Pacific, and elsewhere, attempting to get a supply chain and staging area for their military. The money and agreements are on the surface difficult to reject.
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Eldo R
LOL…staging area for the Chinese Military you say? You mean the Chinese helicopters will be landing next to the pool at the Grand Hyatt? Or maybe their subs will be mooring next to La Mariana’s Yach Club? Without a membership? LOL….
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Randy R
Naïveté, is a dangerous trait. All the dialog that’s coming out of Hawaii is anti-Tourists, not so much the Japanese or the Chinese that filled their void when Japanese tourism slowed at the end of the last millennia, but anti-America. In January 2019, when the Nuclear Attack Sirens went off in Waikiki terrifying any and all, Senator Hirono, blamed the USN. It was in fact a County Employee under Governor Ige that failed protocols.
Ernie S.
Eldo you brighten my day with your quips, if not immediately apparent to you and your vision of Hawaii it doesn’t matter or exist. You do make me laugh, thank you! 😊 What I was referring to is common knowledge, outside of yours, and presently doesn’t directly include Hawaii. Senator Mazie Hirono, despite Pentagon Insistence, refused upgraded Radar and other Deterrents for Hawaii despite the New Threats by the Chinese in the Pacific. Common knowledge Eldo, diligence in research will show all of what I said. Happy Sunday, Buddy!
WarrenD
@ELDO
A few abandoned cars?
Sounds as if “a few” applies to your property alone?
Warren, Hawaii has a multitude of self made Financial Problems starting with the Unemployment System being in the Red to an amount exceeding $500 Million and Counting. Besides that the Social Programs are eating up additional monies at an astronomical rate. Keeping Property Taxes for regular owners at their current rate costs the State approximately $22,000 per Property per Year. Then Lt. Governor Green Wasting $2+ Billion on searching for a Solution to the Homeless Problems, which he found none, could have done much better in the General Fund paying down Debt. The Financial Foibles of Hawaii are Inexcusable and Reckless. This is just scratching the surface, the obvious mismanagement. This needs to be solved, Financial Plan and Oversight!!!
You’re Absolutely Correct, I am Not from Hawaii. As Beautiful and Relaxing I find it, and most of the residents I’m just “visiting” like most people, I choose when to come, and leave, and typically spend what I choose to in the “moment” rather than “Budget” a certain amount for my stay. I live there as if I were at home, minus my 2nd Amendment Rights of course. State Infringements aside, I Enjoy being there and Eventually Enjoy returning home to plan my Next Vacation, Not to Hawaii. If someone doesn’t like that it’s their problem, My Money is Accepted around the World and goes Further Too! I Support Where I am at but know when I’m being Fleeced!
The only issue is that this will be incredibly difficult to enforce without guard shacks. Which is fine, but then you have to think all the foreign tourists who will have no idea what this is and it will end up being a huge headache. Originally great idea albeit unconstitutional. May prove to not be cost effective this way however.
For visitors coming from places like Northern Ireland and Eastern Europe the site of a so-called “guard shack” denotes oppression by the government. There’s Nothing “Aloha” about that!
The “Constitutional” issue will be worked around, a few words changed here and there and it works. The “Spitballing” sessions will take care of it, I wonder how much that will cost the State. They are putting all of this effort into a Fee that won’t be used for any real issues, if they put that much effort into becoming Financially and Fiscally Solvent maybe the State and People would be better off. What a Stupid Thought, Sorry! I Support building Affordable Housing that would Benefit the Residents, They deserve this, Why is it so difficult for the State and Local Governments to do this? The homeless from the mainland can go back home, enough already! Much to be done, only lip service from Politicians.
Keep goin guys gonna charge our state rite outa the tourism industry. Unless thats the plan to cater only to the rich, that would cut down on visitors and inferstructure abuse.Of course we wouldnt need all those pesky hotels and traffic would ease up.Im sure residents wont mind pickin up the slack by paying more taxs.Another bright point beaches wont b as crowded, the course the mega rich would probably buy them as we have already witnessed. So Yep i agree lets Keep charge the average joe.lets not forget our economy and the 10s of thousands of jobs that we dont need,who wants to work anyhow when the state will provide everything we need.
I enjoyed reading this! You’ve written this with thought and presented it with tongue in cheek, Excellent! I believe that You’ve hit many of the points that people rarely consider, unfortunately there are some who couldn’t care less. With the State deeply in Debt how can they continue to pay benefits, especially when more people are looking for it? The Federal Government isn’t bailing Hawaii out to have everyone on Unemployment. Maybe it would be interesting to see it in action but the suffering wouldn’t be funny. Have a good day and thanks!
Unfortunately some people believe that Hawaii can operate without Tourism, for the most part, and the Wealthy will flock in numbers that will make up for the loss of everyone else. Many of them choose other destinations where they own property, don’t need to fly half of a day, and their family and friends are also there. When the Reputation made, chasing the “unworthy and unwanted” away, many more desirable tourists may decide to go other places. Disrespect is frowned upon in Asian Culture! Why are the Japanese not filling HAL Flights? Partially because Hawaii doesn’t have much to offer, is Disrespect another part of it? Malaysian Beaches and Hospitality is renowned around the world.
Regarding Ke’e, it’s been rumored for years that since the money to first buy the land from Howard Taylor was Federal, and then it was Federal money that recently restored the park, that restricting anyone from the usage is a federal discrimination violation.
Any lawyers out there disappointed that they are restricted? Let’s hear from you.
FEMA money was used to do all the repair work in 2018-19. I recall was around $90M. Not sure if that includes the three bridges that were replaced/restored around Hanalei bay.
I have been an Alaska resident for 50 years. For 20 of those years I spent several winter weeks in Hawaii. For decades Alaska tried to charge nonresidents 3X the resident fees for hunting/fishing licenses. The courts repeatedly struck those discriminatory fees down. The US Constitution protects the right to travel for all citizens. Hawaii will run into resistance and spend more trying to collect such discriminatory fees than it gains. I do see more and more Alaskans choosing to visit Mexico rather than Hawaii. This sort of greed will eventually destroy the tourism economy in the islands.
Are you serious. I’m an American citizen I’m entitled to go to every state in this Union without having to carry a passport of any kind any size any shape and I won’t be doing that if I go to Hawaii ever again.
Seems like Hawaii is continually looking to “nickel and dime” the visitors. They already have a hotel tax which is 10.25%. Increase it by .25%. It is like a local restaurant near me that started charging 10 cents per bag for takeout. Ridiculous!!!
I see Boondoggle, it doesn’t sound like Governor Green, past using a play on words with his own name, has any grasp, other then trying to collect some $, somehow. When mirrored against the notorious Train that was in planning and Funding from the late 1950’s early ’60’s, initially to Honolulu Airport, now Ala Moana, Mufi Hannemann is right, getting the $ to the need is key, not Commissions who siphon off the Funds, just look at the EPA on the Mainland. With UH now relacing the Tourist Department, one can see the reach into the most recent Travel & Leisure, where Area Ambassadors are named to train the Tourists.
Thank you for this article.
Is it just me wondering if the politicians and residents want the term Aloha removed from the term “The Aloha State”?
Everything that seems to be happening there seems to be directed at “visitors” and how they are in no way welcomed any longer.
I share these articles with many of my friends and it seems to turn them off with the idea of visiting the islands. I think that’s the whole idea. Eventually the state may get it’s wish and people will go elsewhere; thousands of people will be out of work and the state will have a crisis on its hand and people will ask what’s wrong.
Wow! With all the “fees/passport”, surcharges being discussed Hawaii could price itself right out of the American middle class economy, many who only get to Hawaii as a once in a lifetime vacation. This would be sad. Will it become only the playground of the rich?
If these fees being discussed are passed, it may hurt small business as well…..one less meal out, one less round of golf, one less luau, one less activity? This would affect the Hawaiian citizens.
There are so many factors involved, I hope those making the decisions think long and hard on it. Especially if each island also starts adding fees for accessing state beaches and sites.
Hawaiian citizens don’t want us pesky tourists there. They hate us, yet love our money. We are going to Oahu for the month of July with our 15 year old granddaughter. My husband & I last visited Oahu in ’04. We are ready for the Aloha to be pretty much non-existent. So sad, they have to be this way. We love Hawaii, but this wil probably be our last trip there. All because of the locals hating us & the always rising fees.
Into that magnificent, totally opaque general fund where you’ll never be able to tell where or how the funds were used. I’m constantly puzzled and amazed that the citizens of Hawaii don’t demand transparency from their government.
I understand and agree with protecting Hawaii, but the collection of “green fees” at or for various venues is unworkable. While I certainly do not endorse additional taxation, it seems that it’s the most equitable, enforceable and transparent means of collecting funds for tourism offset with minimal impact to Hawaii residents. It’s too obvious, but it should address tourism specific entities with landing fees, as well as bed and rental car taxes. The beauty of this approach is that the collection mechanism already exists. Granted, additional taxes/fees pile on to what is already in place. Another idea might be a tourism economic zone(i.e. Lahaina) with a certain boundary of streets that has a specific sales tax.
This is absurd for people like me who spends 6 months a year living here, paying taxes(income and property), car registration and sales tax. You will price people out of coming when the State already charges to enter most of the parks. The fees and taxes on guests at hotels and rental is already absurdly high. Where do we see the benefits?
@Mbassler: With all due respects and acknowledging that I am not familiar with the details of your particular situation (nor should I be), from what you have posted here it appears that you own / lease / rent properties both on the US mainland and also in Hawaii. While most people in the US struggle to finance just one home, you appear to have two. And I’m willing to bet that when you are not occupying your Hawaiian residence you are renting it out for additional income. Thus I would not be surprised if the majority of people would conclude that an additional yearly $50 “Green” fee (or whatever it turns out to be) would not that great of a burden to you.
November Headline – Ige Closes Out His Tenure With A Record-Setting Surplus Of More Than $2.6 Billion. More than double previous year. Where did most of that money come from – the hospitality industry? And where is it going? So Gov Green is proposing yet another tax on tourism? What am I missing?
Unless you restructure the infrastructure at all of these parks and locations so that there is a ticket booth with someone inside taking the money and confirming residency, there is no way that 100% compliance will be achievable. Do you think that the honor system will rule the day on this? The state couldn’t get full compliance and leaned on vigilante groups like Quarantine Kapu Breakers to help enforce the rules during the COVID shutdowns. So do we want that again, vigilante groups going around to be sure every tourist is buying the license?
If the state were serious about this proposal, they should go over to Hanauma Bay and find out how they do it.
We own a condo and a car but spend only 4 months here. We pay a lot on taxes and support local business . We no longer can have State ID cards. Where do we fit? Local or visitor? This place is becoming cost prohibitive
I wouldn’t pay additional fees as we pay plenty of fees/taxes when we come to Hawaii through lodging, car rental, purchases that employ residents who pay taxes, etc.
It would likely deter many visitors over time.
Good on ‘ya Governor Green for remaining flexible, dynamic and approachable, and for considering new and alternate ideas and approaches to mitigating the effect of overcrowding. Like most things in life, if you wanna’ play, you gotta’ pay – tourism is no different, especially in this fragile ecosystem 1,800 miles away from the nearest mainland. But the real and only solution is to diversify Hawaii’s economy away from tourism.
Businesses get there revenue in a large part from visitors why would they go for this. As for me I and many of those I have talked to won’t come. Governor Green and the Businesses of Hawaii cane starve.
Just came from spending a couple of days in Waikiki …so sad what has become of it. Trash travels and it’s the same ocean …I think we should start there! People who hike in parks are usually pretty conscious of their natural environment. If you want, hire people who make sure that they are!
This is idiotic.No one will visit here .Hotels are ridiculously expensive.Food is astronomically expensive You can’t even find rental cars.Hawaii better start looking to other resources for income because you are systematically ruining tourism
I am always surprised that nobody mentions “timeshares”. Ever since most resorts became timeshares, you have more and more people come in large groups and families. Stop giving permits for more time shares! Individual travelers are rarely the problem.
Just increase the landing fees, if that is practicable, for each inbound aircraft and put that money towards ecotourism, conservation, etc. The airlines will raise ticket prices by a few shekels to compensate. Simple. That way, everyone who flies in whether local or tourist, will be equal stakeholders in paying to maintain Hawaii’s beauty. The taxes and fees won’t be solely paid by visitors. I don’t know if that’s legal, but it sound like a more equitable approach than what has been proposed.
So sorry to see all of the fees. It will put off many visitors which may be the intent. I have been to Hawaii many times, so most likely I will walk to beaches from my resort.
I am sorry for new visitors as no one likes to feel that the State is taking advantage of them. The other sad note is that governments never use the money as intended. Think of all of the lotteries that were supposed to support education, and how the government reallocated the funds.
Maui needs to improve bus service. Oahu has a TheBus. Learn from them. If there is adequate bus service, less parking is needed. When I lived on Oahu, I rode the bus. I saved enough parking fees to more than pay for a monthly bus pass. Time schedules and routes were convenient. Maui needs to improve transportation opportunities. It won’t generate Green Fees but it would help traffic and lack of parking.
Aloha! So, as I have heard from many who live in Hawaii, they aren’t “Disneyland” and wish visitors wouldn’t act like it, But now they want to sell “annual passes” for entrance to certain areas. Kinda sounds “Disneyland-like” to me.
All the best to Hawaii as they transition from a tourist economy. It will take many hard economic years ahead of them, but if they work really hard they can make that dream come true.
I don’t understand all the hullabaloo against paying a fee to try to keep the islands afloat. My main concern is the monies stay in the county they were paid and all of it doesn’t go to the larger population of Oahu. We love Kauai and want to visit each year and hopefully our small contribution helps it to continue to thrive.
Haha! “Welcome to Hawaii” I remember when all 50 states agreed that state parks, etc. would be funded by convention revenue methods (sales tax, etc.), although many do have a $5 “beach fee.”
This is quite a gouge at $50 apiece (family of 4 is $200 if they’re older teens).
Just for a lark I looked at what a typical tourist is seeing when they book a room. Most say “not including taxes and fees” and when you click to see what that is have your heart attack medicine handy! The cost goes up by about 33% Right Now!
What that doesn’t show is all the fees and extras already in place for rental cars, airport tax, etc. I think they should have a giant board at City, County, and State meetings that shows all non-primary costs in Hawaii!
With this type of legislation flooding the session, is there any movement on the 90 day minimum stay requirement for condos outside the original Waikiki/Kapahulu boundary? This is to take affect April 23 this year.
Thank you…
Hi Linda.
We’ll update on that here shortly. Thanks for asking.
Aloha.
With this type of legislation flooding the session, is there any movement on the 90 day minimum stay requirement for condos outside the original Waikiki/Kapahulu boundary? This is to take affect April 23 this year.
Will these stupid fees(money grab)go into effect this year? If so…when?I hope not! He says he wants to keep the ‘low-lifes’ away. This is just another way to knuckle & dime the tourists.
Somehow I doubt that Gov. Greene described anyone as “low lifes”. Big money doesn’t mean better people ….we need eco conscious and responsible tourists and most of those are not rich. However, they will respect the ocean, natural habits and might even volonteer to clean up beaches. Personally, I feel that we should hire some locals to educate the public and impose fees for leaving plastic bottles & trash on beaches (although I have seen many locals leaving trash behind or even throwing trash out of their cars). Let’s start with education and have a number to call to get enforcement.
I think our new governor referred to people as “budget travelers,” the same way the Mayor of Kauai referred to “coupon clippers.” Sad that is what they think of hard working individuals, who save for years to visit our state. Neither lawmakers have shown much Aloha to tourists.
Budget Travelers is an Amazing upgrade from what he initially referred to the average traveler as, it’s as if we were to refer to him as an ambulance chasing hack of a quack and nothing but the ordinary do nothing, give me the money and power, Politician. I have always been told to listen quietly to what a “Politician” says to determine exactly what/who his/her policies shall benefit and also how he/she thinks of the common people. I’ve already made my own mind up as to Governor Green, you all can make up your own mind, it’s not that hard.
Ernie,
I guess weve been what I would call budget travellers.
My first visit was in 1965 on a 1 day layover on the return from Japan. Courtesy of the USMC. Since the 1970’s, probably every 18 months on average. Bought a timeshare on Waikiki about 25-30 years ago. Before that, it was at one of the Outriggers. The Reef and what is now the Hokulani.
Gov Green – add it up. On the low side, 35 trips of 2-8 people. $105000 spent in Hawaii or getting there – that’s the lowest for 2 people over 35 years. Average for 2 people is probably double that. Gov Green, is that what you want to give up?
Hi Rod, Governor Green is playing both sides against the middle. With the extensive construction projects underway and others planned to begin all within the Hotel/Resort/Timeshare Industry the plans are to reduce the middle and lower class tourists in favor of those who will purchase and use all of this. We are targeted for extinction and it’s their plan. When the problems increase, after we’re gone, the screaming will be heard to the shores of California I hope. The 9th Island will get crowded quickly, hope the Illegals like slave labor conditions.
Hi Ernie,
So many elected politicians seem to think they can overcome the law of supply and demand. Of course they think taxing the rich is the secret. But money has legs and it will move to places where the return in greatest.
Gov Green is just another who thinks he has a new economic reality.
BTW, I’m not so active here because I can’t connect from my computer and I hate typing on my phone.
Aloha.
Green sees money growing in every Tourist’s Pocket, currently he’s keeping people happy by creating policies to reduce the middle and lower income Vacationers but in the next 24 months expects to increase the numbers immensely. The expansion of Timeshare Units and New Hotels in Honolulu need occupancy and split new owners, that won’t occur without a huge influx. 2 years should show improvement in the supply chain and Illegals to work in every available position. They have a plan and no one sees it coming! Take care Rod!
as usual these fees will backfire on the government and only cost the locals
I was born and raised in Hawaii and now reside on the Mainland. I return home to visit every year to visit friends and family. Hawaii in general and Kaua’i in particular are now “nickel and dimeing” us more and more. It seems that Kaua’i is fostering division between visitors and residents. Very sad!
I’m 76 years old and in my experience everything our Government gets involved in they screw up. Especially when it comes to fees. You have all seen many examples of misspent Covid Programs.
I hope that all of these additional costs forced onto visitors don’t have the negative effects that I am envisioning.
Aloha
Amen, “Bite the hand that feeds them”, resonates. Ige escaped his failure, purloining the County Tourist a Taxes from Maui, Kauai, Hawaii and Lanai for his ‘General Fund’, forcing them to raise Room Taxes, now it’s Green’s turn. The Federal Subsidy that covered Locals not working, is not going to continue, being supported by Taxation from the Mainland amortized and paid to Hawaii, a State, who’s Unemployment a Benefits are over $500,000,000.00 upside down, there needs to be rational thought solutions, Tourists who are getting diminished experiences from past visits, will make their own decisions, so much for Aloha! A hui Hou.
Jon you’re speaking with authority, you have witnessed the events unfurl over time and know the effects well. Hawaii is in desperate need of continuous Oversight on every Contract, Everything that State and Local Governments do. Every Dollar Needs to be accounted for and the people should know where it goes. Fiscal Accountability, Needs Based Spending, Fair Bidding, Guaranees on all work performed, Assurity Performance Bonds, and Stiff Penalties for Contract Infringements. If it were to occur the money for affordable housing would mysteriously appear, but able bodied people would be forced to work. There are many other things that can be implemented to help Hawaii and Hawaiians, they just need to demand it!
BOH, you mentioned Waimea Canyon entry & parking fees. Where does that money go? Have you been there lately? We were there last month, the first time in 10 years. Have you seen how filthy the bathrooms are? The handicapped bathroom looks like it hadn’t been cleaned in 10 years! I’ll stay on my mountain in Volcano, thank you. Kauai mayor says he doesn’t want coupon clippers & Green doesn’t want budget travelers. Friends come to visit from the mainland, we visit other islands on a budget.
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As I consider everything that the article addresses I begin to laugh at every voter that voted these gems of politics into office. Indecisive doesn’t cover Stupidity, that’s what Hawaii seems to do Best. The water downed versions will be available for inspection once they have several more expensive meals to discuss their superbowl party plans.
I was a regular visitor who loves and respects Hawaii and its culture. Unfortunately with all the hate towards tourists and the endless nickel and diming I’ve been exploring other places in the world to enjoy my time. It makes me sad to not be going every yr anymore but it’s really gotten ridiculous. Be careful what you wish for. You may not like what you are left w.
Purchasing our retirement home in Kauai, we transition from annual tourists to locals.
Having worked in finance for a City in CA for 30 years, too often these progressive programs just become more misdirected funds.
There are already high tourist targeted fees and taxes. How well is that managed?
Reading often about the environmental damage or waste tourism creates, I find it interesting nothing is done concerning a problem completely local. Rotting old junk cars both on private and public land!
Recent drives( Oct, Nov, and Dec) from Poipu to Hanalei the same stripped vehicles were seen in multiple locations.
A drive through many residential areas it’s very common to see old junk cars the locals at best mow the grass around for years!
Oh dear. If a few abandoned cars is the only environmental problem you can come up with then you’re not really paying attention. The tourism industry is inherently polluting and wasteful. Maybe try reading up on it – you’ll be amazed. Mahalo!
You hate tourists, it seems. What ever will you do if you get your way & tourism stops? You’ll be complaining, of course!
The Japanese own the overwhelming # of the Hotel Properties already, managed by the likes of Marriott, Hyatt etc., think not, that China will not be trying to buy up land in Hawaii as they control the Panama Canal, and Waimanalo’s own, BHO, introduced them to the Islands, inviting them to participate in RIMPAC w/Russia in defense of the Pacific (from whom, if not they and Russia) they see as they do Guam, Midway a bridge to dominance in the Pacific Rim, be careful what you wish for! An island off of NW Australia was purchased from Australia, now citizens are forbidden access.
Randy, you didn’t mention that the Chinese have been “Investing” in many islands within the Pacific, and elsewhere, attempting to get a supply chain and staging area for their military. The money and agreements are on the surface difficult to reject.
LOL…staging area for the Chinese Military you say? You mean the Chinese helicopters will be landing next to the pool at the Grand Hyatt? Or maybe their subs will be mooring next to La Mariana’s Yach Club? Without a membership? LOL….
Naïveté, is a dangerous trait. All the dialog that’s coming out of Hawaii is anti-Tourists, not so much the Japanese or the Chinese that filled their void when Japanese tourism slowed at the end of the last millennia, but anti-America. In January 2019, when the Nuclear Attack Sirens went off in Waikiki terrifying any and all, Senator Hirono, blamed the USN. It was in fact a County Employee under Governor Ige that failed protocols.
Eldo you brighten my day with your quips, if not immediately apparent to you and your vision of Hawaii it doesn’t matter or exist. You do make me laugh, thank you! 😊 What I was referring to is common knowledge, outside of yours, and presently doesn’t directly include Hawaii. Senator Mazie Hirono, despite Pentagon Insistence, refused upgraded Radar and other Deterrents for Hawaii despite the New Threats by the Chinese in the Pacific. Common knowledge Eldo, diligence in research will show all of what I said. Happy Sunday, Buddy!
@ELDO
A few abandoned cars?
Sounds as if “a few” applies to your property alone?
Warren, Hawaii has a multitude of self made Financial Problems starting with the Unemployment System being in the Red to an amount exceeding $500 Million and Counting. Besides that the Social Programs are eating up additional monies at an astronomical rate. Keeping Property Taxes for regular owners at their current rate costs the State approximately $22,000 per Property per Year. Then Lt. Governor Green Wasting $2+ Billion on searching for a Solution to the Homeless Problems, which he found none, could have done much better in the General Fund paying down Debt. The Financial Foibles of Hawaii are Inexcusable and Reckless. This is just scratching the surface, the obvious mismanagement. This needs to be solved, Financial Plan and Oversight!!!
When someone has to tell you how much they come here or how much time they spend here. They aren’t local.
What has that got to do with anything? Are you another tourist hater?
You’re Absolutely Correct, I am Not from Hawaii. As Beautiful and Relaxing I find it, and most of the residents I’m just “visiting” like most people, I choose when to come, and leave, and typically spend what I choose to in the “moment” rather than “Budget” a certain amount for my stay. I live there as if I were at home, minus my 2nd Amendment Rights of course. State Infringements aside, I Enjoy being there and Eventually Enjoy returning home to plan my Next Vacation, Not to Hawaii. If someone doesn’t like that it’s their problem, My Money is Accepted around the World and goes Further Too! I Support Where I am at but know when I’m being Fleeced!
The only issue is that this will be incredibly difficult to enforce without guard shacks. Which is fine, but then you have to think all the foreign tourists who will have no idea what this is and it will end up being a huge headache. Originally great idea albeit unconstitutional. May prove to not be cost effective this way however.
Does our government ever do anything that is cost effective?
To Kealakekua:
For visitors coming from places like Northern Ireland and Eastern Europe the site of a so-called “guard shack” denotes oppression by the government. There’s Nothing “Aloha” about that!
The “Constitutional” issue will be worked around, a few words changed here and there and it works. The “Spitballing” sessions will take care of it, I wonder how much that will cost the State. They are putting all of this effort into a Fee that won’t be used for any real issues, if they put that much effort into becoming Financially and Fiscally Solvent maybe the State and People would be better off. What a Stupid Thought, Sorry! I Support building Affordable Housing that would Benefit the Residents, They deserve this, Why is it so difficult for the State and Local Governments to do this? The homeless from the mainland can go back home, enough already! Much to be done, only lip service from Politicians.
Keep goin guys gonna charge our state rite outa the tourism industry. Unless thats the plan to cater only to the rich, that would cut down on visitors and inferstructure abuse.Of course we wouldnt need all those pesky hotels and traffic would ease up.Im sure residents wont mind pickin up the slack by paying more taxs.Another bright point beaches wont b as crowded, the course the mega rich would probably buy them as we have already witnessed. So Yep i agree lets Keep charge the average joe.lets not forget our economy and the 10s of thousands of jobs that we dont need,who wants to work anyhow when the state will provide everything we need.
I hope everyone understands the irony ….you never know, some people might not realize that this was meant as a joke.
I enjoyed reading this! You’ve written this with thought and presented it with tongue in cheek, Excellent! I believe that You’ve hit many of the points that people rarely consider, unfortunately there are some who couldn’t care less. With the State deeply in Debt how can they continue to pay benefits, especially when more people are looking for it? The Federal Government isn’t bailing Hawaii out to have everyone on Unemployment. Maybe it would be interesting to see it in action but the suffering wouldn’t be funny. Have a good day and thanks!
These extra fees are crazy. Visitors already pay a fee for rental cars. There is already a charge for state beaches and state parks.
Tourism is the only money that runs our economy. Look at last year’s money that was spent by tourists
Unfortunately some people believe that Hawaii can operate without Tourism, for the most part, and the Wealthy will flock in numbers that will make up for the loss of everyone else. Many of them choose other destinations where they own property, don’t need to fly half of a day, and their family and friends are also there. When the Reputation made, chasing the “unworthy and unwanted” away, many more desirable tourists may decide to go other places. Disrespect is frowned upon in Asian Culture! Why are the Japanese not filling HAL Flights? Partially because Hawaii doesn’t have much to offer, is Disrespect another part of it? Malaysian Beaches and Hospitality is renowned around the world.
Regarding Ke’e, it’s been rumored for years that since the money to first buy the land from Howard Taylor was Federal, and then it was Federal money that recently restored the park, that restricting anyone from the usage is a federal discrimination violation.
Any lawyers out there disappointed that they are restricted? Let’s hear from you.
FEMA money was used to do all the repair work in 2018-19. I recall was around $90M. Not sure if that includes the three bridges that were replaced/restored around Hanalei bay.
I have been an Alaska resident for 50 years. For 20 of those years I spent several winter weeks in Hawaii. For decades Alaska tried to charge nonresidents 3X the resident fees for hunting/fishing licenses. The courts repeatedly struck those discriminatory fees down. The US Constitution protects the right to travel for all citizens. Hawaii will run into resistance and spend more trying to collect such discriminatory fees than it gains. I do see more and more Alaskans choosing to visit Mexico rather than Hawaii. This sort of greed will eventually destroy the tourism economy in the islands.
Are you serious. I’m an American citizen I’m entitled to go to every state in this Union without having to carry a passport of any kind any size any shape and I won’t be doing that if I go to Hawaii ever again.
they really dont want us to go to Hawaii
Now if the shoe were in the other foot, they would be crying Racism, if Locals were not wanted at Disney, Vegas, anywhere USA, other then State #50!
Seems like Hawaii is continually looking to “nickel and dime” the visitors. They already have a hotel tax which is 10.25%. Increase it by .25%. It is like a local restaurant near me that started charging 10 cents per bag for takeout. Ridiculous!!!
The only green fees I’ll pay would be to play golf.
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I see Boondoggle, it doesn’t sound like Governor Green, past using a play on words with his own name, has any grasp, other then trying to collect some $, somehow. When mirrored against the notorious Train that was in planning and Funding from the late 1950’s early ’60’s, initially to Honolulu Airport, now Ala Moana, Mufi Hannemann is right, getting the $ to the need is key, not Commissions who siphon off the Funds, just look at the EPA on the Mainland. With UH now relacing the Tourist Department, one can see the reach into the most recent Travel & Leisure, where Area Ambassadors are named to train the Tourists.
Thank you for this article.
Is it just me wondering if the politicians and residents want the term Aloha removed from the term “The Aloha State”?
Everything that seems to be happening there seems to be directed at “visitors” and how they are in no way welcomed any longer.
I share these articles with many of my friends and it seems to turn them off with the idea of visiting the islands. I think that’s the whole idea. Eventually the state may get it’s wish and people will go elsewhere; thousands of people will be out of work and the state will have a crisis on its hand and people will ask what’s wrong.
Wow! With all the “fees/passport”, surcharges being discussed Hawaii could price itself right out of the American middle class economy, many who only get to Hawaii as a once in a lifetime vacation. This would be sad. Will it become only the playground of the rich?
If these fees being discussed are passed, it may hurt small business as well…..one less meal out, one less round of golf, one less luau, one less activity? This would affect the Hawaiian citizens.
There are so many factors involved, I hope those making the decisions think long and hard on it. Especially if each island also starts adding fees for accessing state beaches and sites.
Hawaiian citizens don’t want us pesky tourists there. They hate us, yet love our money. We are going to Oahu for the month of July with our 15 year old granddaughter. My husband & I last visited Oahu in ’04. We are ready for the Aloha to be pretty much non-existent. So sad, they have to be this way. We love Hawaii, but this wil probably be our last trip there. All because of the locals hating us & the always rising fees.
“Where will the money collected go?”
Into that magnificent, totally opaque general fund where you’ll never be able to tell where or how the funds were used. I’m constantly puzzled and amazed that the citizens of Hawaii don’t demand transparency from their government.
Hawaii, is like California, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Illinois, NY, NJ, Massachusetts, ‘One Party Rule’!
I understand and agree with protecting Hawaii, but the collection of “green fees” at or for various venues is unworkable. While I certainly do not endorse additional taxation, it seems that it’s the most equitable, enforceable and transparent means of collecting funds for tourism offset with minimal impact to Hawaii residents. It’s too obvious, but it should address tourism specific entities with landing fees, as well as bed and rental car taxes. The beauty of this approach is that the collection mechanism already exists. Granted, additional taxes/fees pile on to what is already in place. Another idea might be a tourism economic zone(i.e. Lahaina) with a certain boundary of streets that has a specific sales tax.
This is absurd for people like me who spends 6 months a year living here, paying taxes(income and property), car registration and sales tax. You will price people out of coming when the State already charges to enter most of the parks. The fees and taxes on guests at hotels and rental is already absurdly high. Where do we see the benefits?
@Mbassler: With all due respects and acknowledging that I am not familiar with the details of your particular situation (nor should I be), from what you have posted here it appears that you own / lease / rent properties both on the US mainland and also in Hawaii. While most people in the US struggle to finance just one home, you appear to have two. And I’m willing to bet that when you are not occupying your Hawaiian residence you are renting it out for additional income. Thus I would not be surprised if the majority of people would conclude that an additional yearly $50 “Green” fee (or whatever it turns out to be) would not that great of a burden to you.
@ELDO
With all due respect, it seems you Do have issue with Mbassler’s personal financial position than what his post addressed.
Which was, Where do the high fees and taxes already collected get directed?
November Headline – Ige Closes Out His Tenure With A Record-Setting Surplus Of More Than $2.6 Billion. More than double previous year. Where did most of that money come from – the hospitality industry? And where is it going? So Gov Green is proposing yet another tax on tourism? What am I missing?
Unless you restructure the infrastructure at all of these parks and locations so that there is a ticket booth with someone inside taking the money and confirming residency, there is no way that 100% compliance will be achievable. Do you think that the honor system will rule the day on this? The state couldn’t get full compliance and leaned on vigilante groups like Quarantine Kapu Breakers to help enforce the rules during the COVID shutdowns. So do we want that again, vigilante groups going around to be sure every tourist is buying the license?
If the state were serious about this proposal, they should go over to Hanauma Bay and find out how they do it.
Part of the tax would be used to employ gatekeepers to enforce the collection of the fees. The National Parks do this. Simple.
We own a condo and a car but spend only 4 months here. We pay a lot on taxes and support local business . We no longer can have State ID cards. Where do we fit? Local or visitor? This place is becoming cost prohibitive
Aloha-
For Haena/Ke’e, I would reluctantly rather pay an annual fee if it means I can avoid getting up at 3am my time 30 days out to secure a parking spot.
I wouldn’t pay additional fees as we pay plenty of fees/taxes when we come to Hawaii through lodging, car rental, purchases that employ residents who pay taxes, etc.
It would likely deter many visitors over time.
Good on ‘ya Governor Green for remaining flexible, dynamic and approachable, and for considering new and alternate ideas and approaches to mitigating the effect of overcrowding. Like most things in life, if you wanna’ play, you gotta’ pay – tourism is no different, especially in this fragile ecosystem 1,800 miles away from the nearest mainland. But the real and only solution is to diversify Hawaii’s economy away from tourism.
If this will get the campers moved off of the beach, I’ll pay it.
Businesses get there revenue in a large part from visitors why would they go for this. As for me I and many of those I have talked to won’t come. Governor Green and the Businesses of Hawaii cane starve.