It isn’t just about the money. Hawaii visitor fees reexamined and input needed.
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It isn’t just about the money. Hawaii visitor fees reexamined and input needed.
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I think it would work better if everyone paid for entrance to parks. A new window sticker per year per car –resident owned or rental car owned. Rental companies would buy the tabs, and pass the cost to the renter pro rated to the time the vehicle is used —whether you go to the park or not. I live in a state recreation area (In Michigan) and have to have a permit to park just like everyone else, at the same price.
The Pali Lookout is a scenic viewpoint. An awesome one, but merely a place to pull over and take pictures. It’s not a park. It’s a place to steal from unsuspecting visitors.
Its easy to believe OPM (Other peoples money) is a solution to filling Hawaiian coffers – but its not! Didn’t the pandemic teach Hawaii some important lessons – locals are to blame for much of the damage blamed on tourists-such as locals party on Polihale Beach on Kauai and Makena Beach on Maui. Both were damaged so badly they had to be closed for weeks for repairs. Tourists didn’t that – locals did! The other is how many small businesses and restaurants closed for good as a result of not having tourists? One would think Hawaiian bureaucrats would want to create an environment that attracts tourists, not push them away, obviously not the case by the increase of fees and taxes. Hawaii’s main business is tourism – start acting like it!
Exactly. And, let’s define locals…
We’ve seen in the comments here that there are folks who consider themselves “local” who maybe live on the mainland, but grew up here, went to school here, their family still lives here. But they are charged a fee to go somewhere as benign as a highway view point? Are we defining anyone with a Hawaii driver’s license as local? Kamaaina? Maybe we should show an OHA card?
I will admit, this is a very sore subject for me, because somehow “local” has come to mean anyone who isn’t white.
When you go to Disneyland you have to pay a fee (and a pretty hefty one at that) to enjoy the amenities. This fee is on top of your travel, lodging and food costs. If Disney all of a sudden owned all of Hawaii and could charge for the experiences, how much do you think they would charge? For sure hundreds per day per person. So why do we get ourselves all worked up when the people who are using the amenities (us visitors) are asked to pay a small amount for their upkeep (this only applies to the state amenities like beaches and such….not the mega-corporations that charge an arm and a leg for things like golf). Personally, I get Way more enjoyment from a Hawaiian beach than anything at Disneyland. The state should be charging More!
Among the many problems with this theory is the fact that many people are eliminating the Disney of present day as a vacation choice for several reasons…but the main one is exorbitant prices for declining services.
Are you sure you want Hawaii to go down this same route?
Is there a distinction between visitors and property owners who do not live in Hawaii? Property owners pay as visitors or as residents?
Property owners (part time residents) currently pay as visitors.
It’s hard for visitors to Hawaii to not conclude that the State is a ripoff. Over a 100 bucks a day for a compact car rental, grossly overpriced hotels, largely mediocre food, $50 to snorkel for two, outrageous parking fees, and a more than occasional stink face from folks who don’t seem to realize that most of us sincerely appreciate and are respectful of the culture and natural resources of Hawaii.
Easy. Just add $5-10 dollars to the price of an airline ticket; nothing extravagant, but then make that money go towards conservation efforts, for example. As it is now, I have no assurance that a lot of these extra taxes and fees won’t simply wind up wasted by Hawaii’s historically less than efficient (some would say corrupt) government.
While we’re at it, and I’ve said this before, perhaps capping the number of flights coming in, as well as stopping the construction of multi-gazillion dollar condos and resorts might also be a way to cut down on overtourism. Nah, that would take guts and a willingness to take on the big corporate interests, and the state of Hawaii has no interest in doing that. Sight…
If we can see visible improvements as a result of tourist “contributions”, it may be a better pill to take for tourists. Marketing and signage to share that this is a way that visitors can contribute to maintaining the beauty would be really good, but I’m not confident that local politics and money distribution will return these tourist taxes back to where they need to go to show that it is a positive effort …
If somehow there could be another way for tourists to have an easy vehicle to contribute voluntarily, I’m confident that good people will do just that…
Please include a list showing resident/visitor fees for some sample attractions. If you can include major islands, that would be good. Thanks!
I’m a resident of Hawaii, of Hawaiian ancestry. Born and raised here, but often taken for a visitor. I’m embarrassed by what Hawaii is becoming–we are projecting incredible bigotry. I know what it feels like to be treated rudely in Hawaii these days and it’s not good. I’ve also been to every State, paid fees at parks and places of interest…$7.50 at the Pali Lookout is robbery. BTW, have you been to a beach park recently? Stopped by Spencer Park on Saturday and it looked like a homeless camp. Those aren’t tourists.
The truth of the matter is this: the cost of Paradise is expensive. Flights, food and lodging in Hawaii are all going up. I am a California native who has been visiting “the Islands” for over 50 years. $7.50 here or there will not stop me from continuing to visit. Truth is folks do not follow simple signage, such as “don’t walk here”, “carry out what you carried in” or “please throw away your trash”. Hopefully a charge here or there will discourage some from going off the beaten path. Also, all of us “visitors” will certainly agree that a 10 minute “view stop” in Hawaii is well worth the price of admission! Mahalo!!
This begs the question, what’s the next fee. And the next etc. When, if ever does it stop? Take a walk on the beach, pay a fee? Toll roads?, visitor sur charges at restaurants? Swim in the ocean charge? Sounds silly but ???
I really feel that all the hotel fees, park fees, etc. are going to take a toll on who can afford to visit Hawaii. I have been to Maui 3 years in a row to the same condominium units. We stay 2 weeks. It is our happy place. Next year the same condo rents for $2000 more. We are priced out. Your fees are exhorbitant. We will visit Mexico or the Caribbean instead, maybe a cruise. So long to our most loved place on earth.
Same thing happened to us on The Big Island. 10 years same condo..Hawaii used to be on the top of my list , now it’s close to the bottom. We are doing the same next year. Mexico! It doesn’t feel right to me anymore. I’m really sad about it.
The problem with these visitor fees is that many so called “visitors” who own Hawaiian property already pay more in Hawaiian taxes than many of the residents. Between property taxes, capital gains taxes, sales taxes and income tax from property rentals you could easily be paying several times more than a non property owning resident pays in income tax and still be treated like a second class citizen by the locals who your tax dollars support. This is far less than equitable. There needs to be more classifications than simply resident and visitor.
Unfortunately, what you have exposed is a much greater problem than visitor fees. The massive increase in out-of-state owned properties with many all-cash and buyer paid closing costs has sent real estate prices soaring and depleted the supply of affordable housing for local, working residents. Your example of using a property for, I assume, short term vacation rental adds to that problem, and anyone operating a rental business, resident or not, pays the same taxes you mentioned. Those visitor fees pale in comparison to the benefits you derive from owning a second or third home in Hawaii. If you can afford those purchase costs, the small amount you pay in visitor fees when you visit is irrelevant.
Hawaiian residents can barely afford to own property here, and you’d like sympathy for having a second home you have to pay taxes for? Please let me know if I’ve misunderstood.
I have been coming to Hawaii for 40+ years & I agree there has been a lot of damage done to the islands. But I also put blame on some of the locals too. I have been on beaches when they have cookouts or Birthday parties & leave trash strewn about.
Perfect example – the destruction to facilities at Polihale at the beginning of the Covid closures. There were virtually no visitors on the island when that happened – the only perpetrators were residents.
With any fee, no matter the attraction, a person has the ability to decide whether the fee amount is worth the cost charged. The value one receives is a personal rationalization that each person has to make. It’s just that simple. However, some fees are extravagant and should not be charged. Also, just because other states are charging fees for some attractions does not mean fees should be charged without all other costs a traveler has to pay to visit. It could and probably will affect future tourism. Remember people always vote and make decisions with their wallet!!
TB,
I think Hawaii needs to avoid such disparity in fees between residents and visitors that unhealthy anger between us develops.
As visitors, we also have to recognize that the outrageous cost of everything does not result in high wages for most Hawaiians.
Did you miss the part in the article about the exact same fees in 17 other states? You can always choose to make the choice of which locations you value enough to pay a fee. There are also excellent options for beaches, hiking, etc. that require no fees.
Darrell,
I hope someone is listening!
James,
No doubt a vacation to a specific state or attraction is not some constitutionally guaranteed right.
However, other than Alaska (which I have driven to before the road was fully paved), most of us can drive to other states and other attractions without the cost of airfare. So, for many Hawaii is a once-in-a-lifetime trip. It would be nice if they could continue to afford it.
Cost? Checked the price of gas and diesel lately?
We as tourists pay high hotel taxes, and rental car taxes, where’s the money going??
There can be a sticker on the rental car letting parks know you already paid the tax. I will consider that before coming back to Hawaii for vacation. We have been coming every year since 1993.
Thanks, Richard S
Is there even a fair/responsible approach?
I’ve played a few rounds of golf and each time my cost was significantly higher than the fee charged to locals. Why? Do I have a greater impact on the course than does a local – no.
If locals are to get a break, I’d rather see it income-based – all income.
Perhaps an increase on locals and a decrease on visitors to achieve equality.
In February I had 2 jobs to do in Hawaii. I ran ads for local people at $50/hour (for work I typically pay my regular employees $20/hour). I got 1 local worker. So, I had to fly my workers over. These are not high-paying jobs, so, in their off time, they would have paid more than local people making the same kind of wage to see some of what Hawaii has to offer.
Please. If you can afford to pay green fees, paying the difference should matter little. There’s a logical reason that resident fees are lower. You may play a few rounds during your visit. Residents who regularly play golf play 40 or more rounds/year. Same holds true in the state where you reside. Courses see that volume discounts apply in almost any industry. Same for the golf industry.
And you have stats to verify your 40 times a year assertion. Get real.
Besides, it sounds like you are okay with tourists being ripped off because they only pay golf infrequently.
Stats simply require a brief search. And, no, I don’t feel that higher green fees are a rip-off. Local golfers in any state can show a resident ID and get a break on green fees.
This is incorrect.
According to “Golf Monthly”:
“The average golfer plays their home course 81 times a year and 79% of golfers are members of a golf club.”
This was a 2015 survey. In the pandemic years the numbers spiked 13.9% – 2020 survey by “Golf Datatech”, the leading market research company in the industry.
I have been coming to Hawaii too many times to count since 1965. My wife is part Hawaiian.
I understand the need for fees and taxes but with exorbitant almost 18% logging tax and all the fees. Enough. The Aloha is dim. We will be there again tomorrow but enough is already way too much.
Totally agree – have been to the Pali more times than I can count and would Never pay a $7.50 parking fee. That is beyond ridiculous and price gouging at its worst. While love Hawaii and have been over 30 times, my trip in January of next year may be my last. It appears that rather than welcome tourists, the goal is to nickle and dime them over every little thing possible. Every trip I find more things that are being charged for, and while some are worthwhile, many are just a way for the state to take in money, with little of the money spent on improving the park or area. And more than that, the fees keep skyrocketing every year. Aruba is closer and much more welcoming to tourists.
Hawaiian mantra has always been “Soak the tourists” since my first visit in 1978. As a former resident of Maui, I would not consider returning as a visitor.
Tourists are willing to pay the fees and want to see things like the Pali Lookout. Locals, having seen it before in most cases don’t really want to see it again even if parking was free. Not only that but this location is notorious for car break-ins. Maybe the fees can pay for security and restrooms, both of which have never been there.
With any fee, no matter the attraction, a person has the ability to decide whether the fee amount is worth the cost charged. The value one receives is a personal rationalization that each person has to make. It’s just that simple. However, some fees are extravagant and should not be charged. Also, just because other states are charging fees for some attractions does not mean fees should be charged without all other costs a traveler has to pay to visit. It could and probably will affect future tourism. Remember people always vote and make decisions with their wallet!!