1,090 thoughts on “Hawaii Visitors and Residents Whipsaw in 1,000 Comments”
Meagan
Hello Everyone,
When I went to Hawaii about 2 years so I was so excited. I felt I was really able to learn a lot about the history and see some beautiful sights. This trip had been on my mother’s bucket list her whole life. It was the one place she had always wanted to go. Unfortunately, when we went there were a lot of locals that were extremely unfriendly, we were met with attitude a lot of time. It wasn’t a fun experience about 60% of the time and my mom left sad because it wasn’t what she had hoped for. We did go to a few places (local fruit stands, farmers markets, etc.) where people were very kind and were happy to talk with us and tell us more about their beloved island and those people really made the trip a good time for us.
Overall though, I’m hesitant to recommend it to people I know because no one wants to spend a vacation being treated like they are a nuisance.I hope this will change one day because I loved the history and sights.
Alex S
That’s horrible! I’m so So sorry that happened to you! People are desperate so be aware if there’s an opportunity to steal from cars that’s the biggest crime on Maui. It’s Not just tourists being targeted either. So scary! If as a local I can do anything to help you guys out let me know. I am truly sorry you’ve been terrorised and victimized Prayers things get better🙏💞💞
Alex S
🌺Aloha To all the visitors out there I think it is very important that you know the mishandling of the pandemic has been disastrous our leaders have repeatedly lied to us and not enough is being done to ensure the safety of the residents. There is One Hospital on Maui.One! It has been at near capacity throughout this pandemic nightmare and having numerous outbreaks. We have given up so much to be safe to have it squandered for short term gains. What I think a lot of people are getting is the brunt of the fear anguish and loss in hostile attitudes. Its Not just tourists. Its hate spewing from people pushed to the limits and they are snapping. I’m so sorry for all that have had bad experiences, perhaps this will give you some idea why a lot of people aren’t Spilling over with Aloha God Bless and Stay Safe🙏💞
J. K.
Lived there from early eighties to 1997.Moved back to mainland to take care of parents.I absolutely loved it…the people, the land everything. I had family there…thats how close locals and i felt. When i moved back in 2015 it was all different! I felt hated, i couldn’t wait to leave. Everyones poop smells…even hawaiians but, they think because they have brown skin they are royalty. People on the islands tgat are white gave more Hawaiian blood than most pretenders. You can have it…i wont be vack !!!!!!!!
Catherine S.
After visiting Hawaii about once a year for the past 15 years, I experienced hostility from locals for the first time when I visited Maui in October 2019. I was hurt, but not entirely surprised. Hawaiian people often get pushed aside in favour of visitors in housing, and access to the best beaches. Shopping malls, airports and condos are built with tourists in mind, not local people. Every time I visit Hawaii, I see more and more homeless people, as affordable housing is replaced with expensive housing for part time residents or to be rented by the night on Air B&B. If tourists are insensitive or rude to local people, on top of all that, then it’s no wonder local people resent tourists. In my opinion, visitors to Hawaii have an obligation to learn a little about the Hawaiian culture and, always, to show respect for the people who live there.
Susan T
I have been to a few different places this past year during covid. I followed the rules as i plan to next month while visiting Oahu. I do not want to get covid anymore than the next person but i will not let it keep me from traveling and living my life. I know to social distance and wear a mask and all the rest. Hopefully the locals will be respectful of me because I plan to be respectful to them.
Amanda C
We are a small hippy family who is close to nature and have been on the island for three weeks. Never in my life have a been treated so badly. We had our my purse and then our car with everything it in stolen from a playground in the middle of the day the day before Christmas. No one at the park would help us. Local people swore at us to get the f away from them. The police were slow and rude. I have not cried that hard in decades. A week later we were stopped at traffic and someone came banging on our door yelling profanities at us when I asked to please stop we had children in the car he swore at me even more. I have never been treated so badly in my life. People here are rude, indignant and everyone seems angry and agitated all the time. I was so hopeful to find a peaceful nature-centric people and we have only been met with serious hostility and aggression. Eben the people who “greeted us” at the airport were rude as were the people from the management company of the house we rented. I am saddened and disgusted. It is awful to see such a beautiful place being occupied by such ugly people!
Cf
Amanda C yes i had similar experiences back in 2017 with inexcusable rude hawaiians after reporting drug addicts had trashed the grocery store bathroom at kihei maui foodland.
I was discusted because i did nothing wrong. They just didnt want to do anything and i was somehow at fault for bringing it to thier attention.
With my posts on here clearly some are in denial about the situation. In the tourist industry usually most were ok but maybe 10 or 20 percent were there just to make money off the howlie tourist and really had a bad attitude.
So yes i think Florida and usvi are better choices to visit and closer for most Americans and open since june. Common sense snd clear heads seem to prevail there vs chaos racism and hatred if America and Americans in wanna be sovereign hawaii. No aloha for thee only me.
Those that dont feel like hawaii should be doing this crap need to vote and protest and speak up.
Guy C.
I have found that the Hawaiians who work in the tourist industry are extremely kind . The rest of the locals, not so much. A tourist getting into the lineup when the surf is going off is a dangerous proposition. What’s interesting is most of the non Hawaiians that I have run into who have moved there are the most unfriendly.
John
There are nice people everywhere and not so nice…..but if you want a good example of not nice, actually how clueless someone can be as a new resident…..North Shore of Oahu, a fairly recent arrival who started a business here drives around with the name of his business on his truck and two large Trump flags waving…….not smart, not smart at all.
This is why there is a perception of anger towards non residents or newcomers that are not respectful towards the people that live here, sometimes it’s justified.
Auwe!
Hip I.
So true GUY , recently during my vacation enjoying my morning coffee at Waikiki I was approached by a homeless woman who asked for for money and when I refused she told me to go back where I came from my response was same to you which she had no response to but to walk away.Truth be told most people who grow up in Hawaii end up moving to the mainland.
JV
This is my experience as well , the transplants seem to be the worst.. the actual Hawaiians, they are cautious as they should be. I have been coming regularly since 2007.
Rich O.
We live near Grand Canyon and work at a place that attracts tourists, so have seen both sides. We have been visiting the Islands over 30 years and love them – very special places with very special people.
COVID is bad everywhere but HI has the best response of any state; don’t back down now! It will end in a few months; be sure you are around to enjoy it. The idea from Kauai about turning visitors loose after 3 days with a negative test is completely nuts. Don’t do it!
We love every part of our stays there – especially the markets and catching up with all of our friends there. Our top experience came when we stopped at a county beach park for lunch. A local family was doing the same and they invited us to join them and sample their food. It was solid gold Aloha and we treasure the memory. I think of it every time a tourist comes by here after hours, and I try to give back in that same spirit. I have heard of “haole hate” but never experienced it – and hope I never do. That is not the Hawaii I have come to know and love.
If you see my “MALAMA MAHAULEPU” bumper sticker in Arizona, give a shaka.
William H.
As someone who has children and grandchildren living on Kauai who we visit several times a year, I feel that restricting me and anyone who travels from the mainland is a wise policy until this pandemic ends. People on the mainland are struggling financially as well as those on the islands, so the economic issues are not limited to residents of the islands. May we all curb our desires to wander and try to live to see the end of all this chaos. People who think they must go to the islands as tourists are no different from those who feel that they must travel to Las Vegas, and the evidence seems to indicate that both groups of people are equally dangerous to others. What joy do you find in placing my grandchildren at risk of death.
Sue B.
We have been to the Islands numerous times over the years. We appreciate all you do and the respect you try to teach us mainlanders. The reality is your main occupation is tourism. Until that changes, you are hooped. It is not cheap for us mainlanders to come to your Islands. A week trip for us coming from Alberta, Canada, costs $6,000 US for 5-8 days. That may not seem a lot to you, but that is a lot for us, plus we have exchange on that amount.
We wish you well, with whatever choice you make. Please don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
Mahalo,
Sue
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Sue.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts from Canada.
Aloha.
Paul C
LOL wow you staying in a gold lined hotel? For four of us 10 full days including flight and condo cost us 45 dollars a day. Might want to look for more reasonable accomodations
AndyK
Hi Paul,
The average cost of a Hawaiian vacation, when I lived and drove charter boats there 15 years ago, was $500/day per person. It is a very expensive vacation, for most people a trip of a lifetime.
If you and four people can, today, go there for $45/day… good for you, but I very much doubt that most tourists can do that.
Also I suspect that you are not doing any activities, other than perhaps snorkeling off the beach for this low a cost, (unless you are going to a time share presentation to get cheap tickets).
The least expensive hotel a couple years ago was over $100 per night for the room, I suppose if you were to sneak several extra people into a room your cost can be as low as you state, but otherwise I’m calling BS on $45/day for a vacation anywhere in Hawaii…
Paul C
45 dollars a day was the condo and our flight for four of us. Not including extra things which I am sure would add at least 50 dollars a day to our visit 🙂 Call BS all you want thats what our cost was.
Greg K
I call BS. You can’t even FLY to Hawaii for $113 a person, so your $450 wouldn’t even get you there. Then you’d have $0 left to spend on lodging and food and transportation.
Cf
Thanks greg k. I agree. Atleast 120 for most hotels in waikiki per night and 400 or around for the flight. Add on atleast 10 dollars onto food prices per day vs mainland unless you have ramen noodles or very simple foods. Shuttle or rental car costs too. Shuttle is 40 roundtrip to airport w tip
HECTOR N.
You are correct its BS, I been going to kauai for 8years straight for 2 weeks each trip, I have never seen a room or condo for less then $100.00 unless its probably on the beach in a tent,or in your rental car, looking forward to going back.
bill s
What island can you do for 180 / day for 4 people? I want to book there. Even if you fly with points, you have found a really great place to stay.
S
Which Hawaii are you referring to? Did you sail your own boat here and do you camp in your own tent on the side of the road and eat spam??
Billy D
I’m sure he’s not referring to just the cost of hotel stay. Flights alone are crazy expensive especially during peak seasons. Flights can easily by $1000 per person. $45 hotel is super cheap but depending on the island that is hard to find. We mostly frequent Kauai and I’ve not seen $45 a day unless it’s a roach motel or room you rent from someone.
Mahalo
Charles S.
My wife and I have visited Maui a dozen times times in the last 14 years. I have found everyone we met to be friendly and hospitable. Of course most probably didn’t realize we were travelers as we are friendly and hospitable as well.
Casey S.
Personally, as a tourist, and a human being, I 💯 support taking care of the wildlife and beauty/tradition that makes Hawaii such a special place. Any tourist not wanting to help preserve that beauty for future generations isn’t a rational human being.
The issues I’m having are with the politics and how we are being treated/threatened as tourists. My family trip that was planned back when this all started in March, was a $20,000 investment, something we’ve saved for years to be able to do. Now that I’m seeing how tourists are being treated/threatened by locals, it isn’t worth the risk to ever visit again. Crazy left wing politicians could pull stunts like this at anytime, and I don’t want to get caught up in it.
I respect the culture, environment, and industry in Hawaii, but I’m not willing to spend my hard earned money supporting politicians who are really hurting the local people and tourists. The threat of being stuck in a hotel room for an entire trip, or being watched over like a criminal (with or without ankle monitors) would ruin the entire reason to get away and relax in paradise. I would highly advise locals to take another look at who they have been supporting as politicians as a whole and what they have really done for locals. How many locals have actually died from Covid? Compare that with other states, I don’t know what the numbers are, but I imagine they aren’t much different from other places, and yet the local government has single handily ruined the local economy and damaged tourism for the foreseeable future.
I know Hawaii is different being an island, but how are other island tourist hot spots handling things? When there are easier and more welcoming places to travel, it will hurt Hawaii and its economy tremendously, and most likely permanently. Once someone goes to a different place and falls in love with that place, they may not travel to Hawaii again. There are so many options for people to travel to these days.
Brian M
Right there with you Casey. We have been visiting the islands and have property on Kaua’i and it is expensive and time consuming to fly there from the east coast. We have switched gears and have traveled to the USVI with their Safe Travel Portal and have not met one person there so far that has been unfriendly to us. Conversely, we have not really experienced the hostility I have seen mentioned by others save for one or two occasions over 10 years.
Katapo N.
As a kiwi family that is lucky to holiday in Hawaii (when finances allow). We can understand your delima.
Hawaiian’s have always been hospitable and courteous. First and foremost please know that.
But the crush of tourists does wear on you. NZ is looking to discourage the “freedom campers” and less lucrative tourist that every summer can be found living in self contained vans huh! A bucket for a bathroom. We are tangata whenua and are cursed to pass on to our children the land in better shape than we inherited less we are blamed rightly for its degradation.
It is right that when you visit even from out of state that you are a guest if you want to relax then get off the plane/boat chilled and ready for some Aloha not wanting it delivered like a Mai Tai by the beach.
NZ locked down hard with covid because while we know we have great universal health care it’s just not set up for every to get sick at the same time!!
But it’s almost normal again. Using normal loosely.
Still the surf at Te Ari point will have to suffice for the thrills of running the gauntlet of Waikiki🥰
Ka kite ano, Aloha
Elisa N
I have nothing personal against tourists. I believe that the Hawaii Government should have closed us off Period so no tourists could come in so the Hawaiian Islands could get clean of the virus. That means no ships from the Navy, the Cargo ships that come in should of been unloaded and the workers put in quarantine until they left or 14 days. Our island’s should have been closed completely from the beginning and we would of beat this already and I know this isn’t a popular view but us islanders would now be safe and healthy. I know the livelihoods of so many need the tourists but which would you rather have? Your health and life or your job and money sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and this is that time! With the Government’s help we and if the money would of been distributed properly to the people we would have gotten through this and we wouldn’t be experiencing any deaths right now and the virus would of been contained here. Your family members who passed God Bless them , may not have had to pass.
This is how I feel. It’s not the tourists fault, of course they want to come here to get away. We would too if we were in their situation. So don’t blame them for anything blame our Government who doesn’t think things through thouroughly because our islands could be done with this virus if they had!
Skyler W
Nearly everyone can agree that the delayed response from Ige was essentially a dereliction of duties. He really did just sit on his hands until our cases were already doubling each day. That being said, the military are not tourists, and the cargo ship workers were, in fact, quarantined, and not allowed to leave their ships.
Once the state decided to finally take action they did their jobs to the best of their ability by requiring a 14 day quarantine for anybody arriving from outside of the islands and placing a stay-at-home/work-from-home order. People are people and broke those laws that were put into place, locals and tourists alike.
I just hope you realize that the gov’t was never going to solve this issue. Look at how badly the CDC and WHO have failed. Look at the failures of so many of the state governors and the President in addressing the pandemic. It’s up to us as humans to do the right thing, and be aware of our situation. Cleanliness is next to godliness has never been more true than it is now!
Dan S
The taxpayers of the rest of the states should not be footing the Bill for your states choices to destroy its economy. Locking your state down is unconstitutional, I’m sure if states like Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, etc. did this it would be viewed as racist, rather than a form of protecting their locals. I think the absolute worst thing you could do is isolate Hawaii even further, and piss of more tourists. Sharing the culture and beauty of Hawaii is what will keep Hawaii strong for generations to come. If people are only able to read about Hawaii, it won’t be long before it’s totally forgotten. People need to experience the beauty, uniqueness, and amazing history/culture of the people to truly appreciate what Hawaii is. If the locals aren’t willing to share that or want to become isolationist, that’s their choice, but don’t expect us to pay for all the problems these policies cause.
Greg K.
You seem to have forgotten about half the cases were from returning residents. Did you plan on banning them as well?
S
So many people would be homeless and starving! Way more than sick from Covid if you didn’t allow any tourist at all. How could you even think that?
Chuck J
As a long time kamaaina, having lived on three different, and yes, they are very different, islands, I have witnessed both sides of this discussion. Point very well taken that visitors should try to understand that they are guests in our culture. Likewise, locals should realize and treat visitors as guests.
It can be very challenging sometimes with the overwhelming number of tourists to be a welcoming host as a small percentage of them behave poorly, but the burden is on us locals because they are our economic lifeline.
I believe that continued educating of tourists before and during their stay about respect for our culture combined with ongoing reminders to the host population regarding treating tourists as guests should forever be part of the equation.
William
Being a long time owner of a small condo in Kapaa, I am sad to see new restrictions implemented by the mayor. Somewhat surprised but not shocked by the news. I get it, just a few ICU beds available that really should be reserved for the local population. In the more than fifty years I have been visiting Kauai, I have never had a bad experience with the locals. They have always shown me the respect I have come to expect with the Aloha spirit. I really feel for all the workers that are having to scramble to fed themselves and or their families.
I was so saddened to hear that Foodland” closed. The people who worked there were so genuine and friendly. Where am I going to find another poke display like that? Luckily, we got to come over in February, just before the first restrictions were put in place. I was seriously looking to come back over this week! Glad I didn’t make that decision. I look forward to coming back as soon as it’s safe. Be and think positive…life as we knew it will get back to some kind of new normal.
Annette Y
We have visited Hawaii, mainly Kauai several times. I’m a nurse that works hard in the mainland. I enjoy going and relaxing and spending money that I have worked hard for. I live in the United States and the last time I looked Hawaii was still apart of the United States. How can they tell us we cannot visit. But I do believe as a nurse I understand the limited resources. We have a trip scheduled in late February and we are probably going to cancel because I don’t want to go somewhere and be treated badly because I want to enjoy and relax in the most beautiful place I have ever been. I’m not sure we will ever be back, and I know a lot of others that are feeling the same way. We follow the rules, we wear masks and will abide with everything that is required to enter Hawaii. I’m tired , after going through this Pandemic , the last place I want to be is somewhere I’m not wanted. This makes me incredibly sad.
James B
Thank you for your observations as a medical professional. If you can separate your disappointment with your Kauai plans for a moment, you would realize that unfortunately you are in the minority on the mainland. While Hawaii has tried to protect its citizens, resources and limited medical capacity, many states have ignored basic public health guidelines and even more mainlanders either think the virus is a hoax or refuse to wear masks or keep those same basic, common sense guidelines as their barometer. The U.S. mainland has the highest daily infection counts, the most dead, and now we are truly in for a bleak winter.
It is truly best if you delay your visit until there is both a change in behavior and hopefully an effective vaccine. Don’t let this virus sour your love for Kauai. Encourage everyone you know to be safe, follow common sense, and your next visit will be there when you and the virus is ready.
Casey S.
I think many people will be delaying/canceling their trips to Hawaii indefinitely. I plan the big trips in my family of six, and we had to cancel our trip to Hawaii back in March, now looking to rebook, I will be spending the $20,000 on a trip to a different location as long as Delta flies there since my credits are with them. Hate to see Hawaii self implode due to fear mongering and politicians only out to help themselves or their political party. I’ve been wanting to visit Puerto Rico for quite some time, but usually end up going to Hawaii since we live on the west coast and have started a family tradition of travel to Hawaii. Now the choices of local politicians in Hawaii are offering me a good reason to book to PR this year rather than making a trip to a place we are clearly not wanted. Hopefully the locals in PR are more welcoming and willing to share their culture and natural beauty.
James B
I would be interested in where you plan to travel. Mexico? Europe? Asia? Central America? South Africa? These places have both loose public health protocols, rising infection rates and/or (in the case of Europe and Asia)bans or restrictions on travel for U.S. citizens.
If Puerto Rico is your intended destination, you can certainly get there, as it is a U.S. protectorate. But please ask yourself whether putting your and your family’s safety and health at risk is worth a vacation.
My advice would be to wait a few more months to see whether the vaccine and strict requirements for masking, social distancing and frequent hand sanitizing combine to tamp down the viral transmission.
Now that President Biden has stepped up vaccination and declared safety protocols for ALL interstate travel by public convenience (air, train, bus), we may see the ebb and waning of the pandemic by late 2021.
Vacations can wait. This coming from a vacay rental owner simply wishing everyone dealing with this crisis to use common sense and patience.
Lynda F.
I recommend you try the beautiful island of Cozumel. Its 3 hours from Dallas and 5 from Miami. Gracious locals who truly appreciate tourists. There are many gorgeous all inclusive resorts on the southern end of the island with spectacular sunsets.
Dan S
Yep, once people find a welcoming population willing to share their area’s beauty and culture somewhere else, Hawaii will suffer even more. Too many choices for tourists these days to be pushing people away. Once someone visits a more welcoming and open location, their annual travel may exclude Hawaii and new tradition made in other locations.
Paul C
Good Dan go elsewhere then and prices will be cheaper for me and my friends to visit Hawaii.
James B
Though Mexico’s reporting of COVID statistics is likely under-reported, the actual reported toll and lack of travel restrictions (no mask requirements, no PCR test prior, etc.) are reflected in what IS reported. Mexico likely has a 25% infection rate, and the reported stats show the same large spike in infections since the holidays as the U.S. mainland.
I love Mexico and the Mexican people as well, especially Quintana Roo, but please ask yourself whether the latest game of Russian Roulette is a smart move in a pandemic.
Dan S.
Ditto
Thomas h
There’s 2 side’s to every coin. Most tourists are nice and so are most locals. Theres racism for sure,it’s breed in them,
JLH
I’ve witnessed some hatred from the locals. I’ve been told “locals only” at some locations. I’ve received threatening gestures. And I’ve even been confused for being a local. It’s confusing and can be scary. The hate comes from locals who seem to think tourists are ruining Hawaii. But all the vandalism and graffiti seems to be from the locals. Personally, I’ve not seen any tourist misbehaving. Driving bad, yes.
Paulc
lol ok I’m betting you showed attitude act like you belong
JLH
Wish that I could say that was true. The negativity sent to me occurred when I attempted to pull into a beach parking lot. Never even had a chance to say good morning. I just leave when people are hostile. To many beaches to get bent out of shape. To be fair, I used to see the same at beaches in Cali. I think it’s a surfer thing more than anything else.
Cf
Jlm that was my experiences also. Its true it only takes one bad local to ruin things for a large group of people. The store experiences i had locals didnt even know me and i had simply brought a serious problem with dirty bathroom to thier attention.
They clearly didnt want to be at the job or do the job, but really unprofessional to take out thier anger on customers who arnt misbehaving. Any other place ive been in usa its rare to see that level of dysfunction and hate of tourists or customers.
Dan S.
I’ve never had bad experiences with locals, but I have heard stories, I have just been lucky I guess. But one thing I am seeing is comments from locals and possibly just online trolls pushing politics, and it’s definitely not welcoming and is actively turning me off and making me not want to spend my hard earned money and precious time off in Hawaii.
Paul C
Dan
Go to any visitors site around the world. You will find the same trolls spreading negative information that mostly is not true. I treat others as I would expect to get treated.
Liam O
Many visitors have expressed their appreciation for the beauty of our state, and for the overall sense of Aloha that is shared with them.
But…many come with a sense of entitlement that coming here allows them to disregard the local norms, and community standards. It’s those visitors who should travel to locales where their sense if entitlement can be catered to.
Cf
Liam o, people spend triple the amount of money on average to come visit hawaii. If hawaii wants tourists and tourist dollars then yes they DO need to cater to the needs of tourists. And yes hawaii continues to depend completely on tourist dollars for some reason?
Like anything else you get what you pay for. If tourists are upset or feel entitled then it is the responsibility of hawaii lawmakers and residents to work things out so that everyone can have a more positive experience.
Unfortunately the hawaii first attitude doesn’t work well in America. Cash only stores need to accept credit cards and its time that hawaii strengthens its bonds with the rest of usa. For the sake of economics and responsibilities of us citizens etc. having all this dysfunctional behavior is not the answer and all the racism and divide.
Things could be much much worse for hawaii atleast there is money from tourists to pay for all the roads etc. and gotta pay for all the beach park maintenance, airports, nice homes cars etc
Paul C
I am guessing you must not have traveled much. Its not just the islands its any small community asshats can be found everywhere. Entitled tourists also are found everywhere. Try being nice and you will be treated nicely.
Dan
Simple golden rule seems to work best everywhere. Have courteous respect for others, and hopefully they will have the same for you. It’s a simple concept we should all try to remember to follow. I do agree, jerks are always present, in every group, no matter where a person is, but they are also the tiny minority and shouldn’t be used to judge an entire group of people whether they are tourists or locals.
James B
You have expressed on numerous occasions your disdain for Hawaii and the way the state is trying to protect its citizens. Your reflections illustrate the very reason why Hawaii wants less people with your attitude. I have only one question. Since you readily and repeated trash Hawaii, why are you still on this site?
Elizabeth S
James
Well stated. CF cant seem to get enough of the trash talking to the citizens here and to the State overall, so much so that he is on the Beat of Hawaii regularly.
I’m surprised actually that it is being permitted.
Paul C
I say we take a vote and vote the negative Nellie CF off this great site where people are actually trying to find information about Hawaii not trash Hawaii
Dan S
I don’t think silencing people because they disagree is a good idea, it’s good to hear the positive and negative aspects of a place when researching a trip/vacation. Especially when cost and more importantly time off is such a valuable resource these days. I for one, would lose respect and interest in a site that censors people just because we or a certain small group of people disagree with someone. I personally applaud the people who run the boards and site for allowing people to express their views, from all sides. If all you hear is an echo chamber, you lose important insight. If the tourist industry tanks, and you aren’t willing to find out why or listen to people, it will never recover. If the locals are treating tourists badly, and tourists don’t listen and try to understand what is bothering locals, the problem will only get worse, not better.
Dan S
How many of the people on here just live in Hawaii vs being born and raised there or having Polynesian blood. I have much respect for actual Hawaiians, and I’m interested to hear their opinions, but I’m also very aware of lots of people who “live” in Hawaii, that aren’t even Hawaiian that love to push their politics on others, they are usually the ones that are unwelcoming. Can any true locals offer some insight into the conversations above? I feel like part of the culture I’ve experienced in the past is that “welcoming attitude” and willingness to share and educate willing tourists about their ways and culture. That’s what’s always made Hawaii so great and interesting to travel to. It was an entire experience, learning about the culture, the land, the food, the traditions…that’s what I love about Hawaii, not the modern generic hotel/beach travel that can be had at millions of other locations. Without that entire experience, Hawaii isn’t much different than any number of tropical beaches on the mainland.
Paul C
Dan to your comment about negative commenters. I agree to a point but there are several than are here non stop and always spewing negativity specifically towards Hawaiians. I agree that the mods do the best job they can to keep a nice informational site for us to see. That being said get off Hawaiis butt. They are hardly the only state in this situation
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Paul.
Just an aside here. You should see the ones that got away (those comments that we would not publish)!
Aloha.
Mary F.
I am appalled by the negative comments of visitors. I have had family on Oahu for nearly a century. It sounds like these visitors are equating Waikiki with all of Oahu which is very sad. The tourist industry in Waikiki is just that….an industry. They do depend on tourism. But the rest of the state has many more means of income. On Oahu it is mainly from the military and the civilian jobs they create. Agriculture used to play a big role on some of the other islands until greedy developers grabbed up so much land to build condos and tourist accommodations. I have seen many tourists from many lands come to the islands with an entitlement attitude. That’s definitely not the Aloha spirit. Before you blame Hawaii for trying to protect its people during this pandemic, please look in a mirror and determine which kind of visitor you want to be. Mahalo.
Dan
I agree, it works both ways. If all a tourist wants is a beach and service, there are easier places to travel to get that. Hawaii offers so much more with its amazing culture, history, and natural beauty. Unfortunately the local politicians are making it clear to travelers, that they aren’t wanted though. The destruction of the local economy and how that will impact locals will be felt for years to come. When people like myself, who travel to Hawaii because we love the culture and beauty feel pushed away and unwelcome by the local government, you know Hawaii is in trouble. I am always open minded and very easy going, but all these harsh rules and discrimination towards visitors is making even the most die hard Hawaii lovers turn away from our visits. The welcoming spirit is dying, and it’s clearly visible to anyone who looks, don’t let the local politicians push agendas that will cause more long term and short term damage than the actual virus does.
Paul C
exactly! People feel they are owed something because of their privilege’s
Bunny
It’s an unfortunate truth but not all tourists know how to behave. 🙁 It doesn’t take more than a few people to ruin it for everyone else. It’s best to follow the golden rule and lead by example.
JLH
And it only takes one hostile local to change the demeanor of many tourists. I witnessed a store owner in Lahaina yelling at a family because their two kids stepped up onto the front steps of his closed store. The kids stepped up and then back down. And this store owner flipped out, yelling “I’m sick of you people. You people come here and do what you want. I don’t need you suing me because your kids got hurt.” If you hate tourists, why do you run a souvenir shop in Lahaina?
Paul c
read your own words. The store was closed. This is hardly exclusive to Hawaii. Give me a break.
Reese W
I was hoping to hear what native, Aboriginal Hawaiians think about tourism, not white colonizer ‘locals’ or ‘residents’. is there any polling on what actual Hawaiians think?
Ann M
Reese you could start one but good luck in finding any people that are 100%
native Hawaiian.
Dawn
That’s because the native Hawaiians were pretty much wiped out by disease during the last rounds of pandemics brought by people from other places.
Dan
Wow, I guess that sums up your opinion about being welcoming and open to other places/opinions or people. Scary thought, but if you really want to stop all travel to Hawaii, should we have that work both ways, no Hawaiians can visit the mainland, should we stop sending federal money other than what the state contributes? I think your opinion is rather eye opening, and probably doesn’t represent how the majority of locals really feel, but maybe I’m wrong, after all, it’s just my opinion.
Paul C
Dan,
What part of this is an island in the middle of the pacific? A set of islands with limited resources as in hospitals etc. You allow Millions to start flowing as usual into Hawaii with the virus the islands will be wiped out. Personally I think all states should shut down all but essential travel between states until the vaccine is successfully rolled out and the numbers drop sufficiently. IN fact a number of states are requiring quarantines now and lock downs. Its not just Hawaii.
Dan
They don’t have to be 100% native Hawaiian, but at least people who are multigenerational from Hawaii. I think we hear a lot from transplants who like to say they are “local”, but clearly don’t seem to exude the “Aloha” spirit that the culture seems to have openly exhibited in my past experiences. I find it hard to believe that the true Hawaiians are so unwelcoming about sharing their culture. I have always had great experiences learning about the culture, history, and beauty Hawaii has to offer, but now I’m hearing so much unwelcoming resentment towards tourists from so called locals that I’m having a hard time believing it. If Hawaii is truly becoming this hostile towards visitors it is a sad thing indeed and a disappointment to all of us who truly appreciate and love the culture. Many of the rude and unwelcoming comments I have read Seem to be more about policies and politics. The idea on here that only certain views should be allowed to be posted is a very scary thought to me and runs contrary to both constitutional norms, but also Hawaiian culture.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think the majority of these negative comments from people calling themselves locals are probably transplants from other places.can anyone offer some insight?
Erin G.
In the 1980 census, there were only 500 “pure” Hawaiians left in Hawaii,being 40 years ago, I am sure that number is far, far lower.
Dan
I was thinking the same thing, I would like to hear what the multi generational Hawaiian locals have to say, not just the loudest transplants pushing their political ideals and opinions.
Eldon R.
My parents taught me to be respectful, and the lessons took, for the most part. Anyone who invites tourists takes the risk of having to deal with a few who are outright rude, crude and disrespectful. Thanks to all who take that risk on my behalf. I hope I never violate the trust you give to me. Your trust allows me to experience things I could never see or do without your gamble! Aloha and Mahalo!
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Eldon.
Thanks for your nice words.
Aloha.
Dan
Exactly, it works both ways, and jerks are found in every place and group of people, but they are usually a tiny percentage of the actual population. Just because they scream the loudest doesn’t mean they represent the majority. Having mutual respect for each other, our customs, culture, etc is what we all need to keep in mind. Many of the tourists are from places that have their own cultures as well, even other states have values that differ from on another, but let’s try and be respectful and treat each other how we would like to be treated. Having conversations is what helps all of us understand the differences we share and why we deal the way we do, without those, we are flying blindly and making chooses that aren’t informed.
Dorothy
I’m a native Californian who didn’t experience Hawaii until 2006. Since then we have tried to return at least every other year, to Kauai. I think I understand why Hawaiians are often repulsed by the insensitivity, rudeness, and ignorance of some tourists. I was horrified to read a comment posted here, earlier this year, from a tourist who was fed up because President Obama might be purchasing a home in Hawaii. Her post said that if he were to buy or build a home, she would never return to Hawaii again. That didn’t just repulse me, a person of color, but made me think what Hawaiians, including President Obama, must have to endure by others who disrespect their land and their people.
Mahalo nui loa.
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Dorothy.
Thanks for your comments. We appreciate it.
Aloha.
JohnW
Dorothy, sadly, there are people out there that do think like the person you referred to, “if Obama builds a home there I’m not coming”.
Personally I have to remind myself most people are not like that, not even most “trumpies”. But the fact that the extremists say they aren’t coming to Hawaii is a good thing for the State. When her type stays away Hawaii wins.
I think the whole locals vs tourists debate on here has been a little blown out of proportion . There are isolated instances for sure when a local gets fed up with the subtle or not so subtle racists that visit. Rude, disrespectful behavior isn’t always well tolerated here. But by far most visitors are not like that. Most are having a wonderful time here and the proof is how many people do visit Hawaii.
If someone is having a problem with Hawaii it says more about them then any reflection on the State.
Nobody should read this blog and assume the “Local don’t like tourists”, instead read it for what it is, some people do act in a way that is offensive and they also post on blogs with the same attitude. They are a small minority of visitors and the vast silent majority is the norm and have a great time when they are here. They are warmly embraced by the tourist industry as it’s a win win deal for everyone.
Aloha to all
Beat of Hawaii
Hi John.
Thanks for your thoughts and all your comments. We appreciate it.
Aloha.
Michael H
Very well said. Excellent perspective. Thank You!!
Hip I.
Hi Dorothy I vacation in Hawaii every year and I have never come across these insensitive rude ignorant tourists you mention.In my experience the local residents are equally respectful.
Cf
Hip l that was usually my experience there. I dont know what its like with the covid there. The homelessness there has been out of control as far back as 2012 to 2016. I have no idea if its better now or not. I know on beat of hawaii there were few negative posts on here until covid happened. I just know that because hawaii is an island costs are higher on everything. So even if the Hawaii govt didnt lock down or place any restrictions the groceries would go up and hospitals would stay pretty full.
Dan
I agree that it’s absurd to judge a place because of someone who is from there, or wants to move there, or any other reason about one person. That’s just a cop out in my mind and a bully mentality. I’m not a supporter of Obama, but I don’t see what that has to do with an entire state or population. Who cares where Obama, Trump, or any other person wants to live, that’s no reflection of the local population or anything else. As long as they follow the same rules and are held to the same standards as the population, it shouldn’t matter.
As a fellow person of ethic background, I do t see what our skin color has to do with anything. No offense, but I just don’t see how that is pertinent to anything we are discussing on this board and injecting it into the conversation can be used to divide people rather than unite people.
I do agree that Hawaiian probably don’t always have positive experiences with tourists, but I bet many do have positive experiences. There are plenty of us that travel to Hawaii because we love the culture and heritage, I learn something new every time, and I am very appreciative of people willing to share their history and culture with me so openly. I also believe that there are tourists that aren’t treated very nicely, but I bet that’s also a small percentage. I believe the majority of people are respectful both ways, and it’s good to hear other points of view to learn from one another. Hopefully this board will continue to be a place where we can research our travel plans and learn what to do, and not do to upset or insult each other, but rather learn from these encounters and strengthen what we do have in common and respect one another’s differences.
Paul p
Hi my name is Paul from Calgary wishing for a vaccine so we can all be safe. I will wait until there is one to book a trip to the place I love most. Hope to see you soon.
Joe B
Hey Paul C, I live in Idaho, I actually moved here 2 years ago. I have been to many small towns here in Idaho and have never met anything well wishes. You are listening way too much to the liberal press and worst yet you believe what they tell you. I just want to set the record straight Idaho is a great place to live and raise a family. Watch this video (Warning: Link Deleted Per Comment Rules). This is just one of many videos about needy people here. One thing they all have in common is they don’t complain, they work and they don’t ask for hand-outs. This is a lesson that other people should learn. So, don’t tell me Idaho isn’t a good place to live.
Banjo T
This is about Hawaii. Why are you talking about Idaho?
Dan
I think a comment or reply must have been removed/deleted?
Jouh
Maui is over rated.
Cf
Like anywhere else paul c some people are friendly some arnt.
Hawaii is on island time way of thinking and some think that usa owes them something because hawaii became a state. Its a bit behind in terms of way of thinking. It can be really slow and hard to get things done. On mainland people do things faster and more efficiently. Hawaii is islanders with islander mentality. Its not always bad but it is definitely not like living in the modern world To me atleast.
Alot of places in hawaii if you live like a local are small cramped dirty compared with the mainland. Its no ones fault really but recognize the issues paul c before you open your mouth. Tourists notice this stuff and yes they don’t understand it. I do understand it and yes it can be annoying even to locals that have lived on the mainland.
Young people leave the island in droves for more opportunities and quality of life for a reason. Im happy i lived there for a few years was a good experience overall.
Paul C
YOu do know the history of Hawaii and how Mainland USA basically stole it from the natives and made it be part of our nation right?
Go to a little town in Idaho and you will find their attitudes towards outsiders is way worse than any that Hawaiians might show. And why should hawaii be forced to live in this modern mainland world you speak of? I am guessing pretty much any island anywhere you go will have some of this. I have traveled extensively and I never judge a place just because.
Cf
Paul c i liked People in idaho. Its friendly and id actually love to stay in a mtn cabin there sometime.
If some want to feel hawaii was stolen then they need to file complaints with the federal govt not attack tourists which are source of revenue for the state. I think that is really innefectual.
i am not responsible for 1950s actions. I was born in early1980s. Anyone that was born in 60s or later should not be thinking about succeeding from usa or getting upset etc.
Marla B
Thank you very much for your time to help us adjust. Glancing through the comments, I can understand why they think Hawaiians are “rude”. When the Zonies (Arizona) come to San Diego, they are rude, they drive fast cut people off, leave their trash, etc.. This apparently is who many of them are & if they bring this behavior of disrespect to Hawaii, who can blame them? Personally, my experiences on the islands have always been very positive. My mom is part native American & I’ve been raised to respect the land & people. (My dad French Canadian where manners are
important) Respect is huge with both Hawaiians & Native Americans. It isn’t a lot to ask. There’s a song by Leon Russell called “Magic Mirror” those who think they’re rude might do well to listen to the words. Mahalo for reading this.
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Marla.
Thanks for your comments. Yes, Hawaii isn’t unique in all ways.
Aloha.
Owen P.
We visited for 5 nights starting on day 1, Oct 15. We masked religiously, and did our best to behave as respectful guests.
The vast majority of people were friendly and welcoming, but we did have one afternoon at black rock where, on an otherwise empty beach, a man laying there remarked to his friend, “Oh $#!+. Here comes the master race.”
JohnW
Sad but telling that a Nazi term has resurfaced but that seems to be pretty common in America now…… the last few years has seen a tremendous surge in all kinds of racist and hateful speech and of course we all know why.
As you said most people are nice and can’t stress enough, Hawaii is still Hawaii and it’s always been you find what you bring.
The Aloha spirit is still a big part of the islands and not hard to find….especially now that it’s not that crowded!
KL
One of the requirements to post should be “no implied political commentary “.
Dan
So much of this is politics in reality, one way or another it’s part of the conversation.
RIchHI
What do visitors think about other visitors perhaps is a good question. When I see ignorant people disrespecting the culture and not following requests and instructions I do not think much of my fellow visitors (for although I am a regular repeat visitor (4-5 times a year for almost 30 years) I class mysekf as a visitor. I find there is an inverse correlation between belonging to and being welcoming. Kama’ainas to whom you show respect are very welcoming where Malahinis tend not to be and what to tell everyone else what to do. THen we have the Macronesians who come under treaty and whose youth seem to be the cause of much anto Visitor crime. Looking forward to the Holidays if the USA reopens by then.
Cf
No paul c it does not excuse mahini or native Hawaiians behavior towards tourists. Aloha does not work with that or being a hypocrite. You are entitled to your opinion however.
Also richS comments on micronesians is true also, i have dealt with them. They leave plastic bottles filled with urine all over The Urban neighborhoods in guam. They throw trash in the jungle including full size black trash bags. They also burn thier trash still.
I think This is Hawaiis legacy going forward if it does not change its tune very quickly. I dont feel like commenters on here can justify the confusion and attacks on tourism industry. Its simply wrong and biting the hand that feeds you.
Paul C
Funny thing CF if you treat people well you will be treated well. Its called do unto others. If I am a jerk to someone I totally expect to be treated as a jerk. Dont like how your treated in Hawaii feel free to go elsewhere. I have been many places in my life and as long as I treated their home with respect and was a nice person i have always been treated nice. You seem to have a particular obsession with this thread of thinking so why if you think they are so horrible are you still here?
Cf
I find it funny paul c that you want to tolerate bad behavior from Hawaiians but not from tourists.
You say im being a jerk but really its always been that way in hawaii before i came along 😀. Its just ramped up now w covid fears. Tossing out the baby with the bathwater isnt the way to go
Paul C
I will say it again. Treat people nice and well and you will get the same back. Nope not always. There are jerks no matter where you go but if you go in with the attitude you have towards the locals of course you will get that same energy back at you. Try being nice and see how that goes
Dan S
I agree with the golden rule, but I also see the side of what others are saying. Being treated like a threat/criminal before we even get to Hawaii probably isn’t the best message to send to tourists. As long as Hawaii’s economy is dependent on tourism, tourists will need to be involved in this crucial conversation.
I am not planning on visiting because I feel unwelcome and there are too many risks associated with isolation or a ruined vacation to gamble my families precious time off together. They are even discussing adding more hoops to jump through to visit, like additional testing three days in, or proof of antibodies/vaccine….where does it end? Protection and responsible practices are one thing, but these restrictions are seen by many of us as an invariant and hurdle that is unnecessary. There are too many other choices of places to travel that don’t have these obstacles, and some of the comments that are negative towards travelers, may be what ends our interest in a visit. I truly don’t think people are on here just to argue, we all clearly care about Hawaii and what makes her so great. We just have different opinions and are trying to offer each other insight into those to better understand each other and ensure Hawaii doesn’t turn into a third world country. No one wants to see Hawaiians out of work/poor/homeless or businesses closed up, so we are all trying to express what needs to happen to prevent that. If we don’t start finding middle ground, the damage will continue, and Covid will be the least of our worries.
Dan
Great comment and very on point. I agree, have respect and 99.9% of the time, you will receive the same. Sometimes people have bad days, sometimes people are just jerks, we never know what’s going on in another persons life, but having respect and compassion is a great way to live by.
I think what many of us are feeling is that due to politics, things may be getting overblown, and it’s causing a division amongst people and seems to be directed at tourists as if we are the problem. I’m not saying Covid is not a real threat, or that it is, but I do feel that the local government is making it difficult to travel to Hawaii and its coming across to tourists as being rude/political. Hopefully Hawaii can figure out how to balance things without the need to restrict fellow Americans and tourists from visiting and enjoying her beauty and culture. I hate to see what is happening to the local economies and families losing work and closing down such unique local businesses. The last thing any of us want to see is boarded up shops and then all that’s left is the National chains that have no local flavor or culture.
I personally think Hawaii should open back up and be more inclusive, the tourism industry makes up too big a part of the local economy to risk alienating travelers. I also just don’t like the idea of states shutting down and telling people they can’t visit or having extreme protocols in place that will likely do more damage than what they are intended to protect. If everyone would leave politics aside, and start listening to each other we would find some middle ground.
Paulc
The people of Hawaii are wonderful accommodating amd friendly. Visitors as shown here and across other threads posted by this great site clearly show why they are treated the way they are
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Paul.
Thanks for those nice words. And for 255 comments.
Aloha.
Paul C
Mahalo Beat of Hawaii. Thanks for putting up with me! I didnt realize I had posted that many times! Hopefully one day I will actually have my feet on the ground in Hawaii! thanks for all you do!
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Paul.
LOL. Yep, that makes 255, and we do appreciate it.
Aloha.
Marla B
Mahalo for your information. We have been looking for our forever home in Hilo, as my sister in law & nephew live on the Big Island. I was born & raised in So California with Canadian manners from my dad. I’m a haole, but I want to learn the Hawaiian language as well as Pidgin. Will this be frowned upon or acceptable? I want t embrace the Hawaiian culture, with respect. Do you have any advice on this?
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Marla.
UH has an intro to the Hawaiian language that anyone can participate in. No issue and more culturally acceptable. Pigeon is more complicated culturally.
Aloha.
Marla B
Thank you very much. <3
Abby
I have been wanting to travel to Hawaii for years and finally to celebrate my college graduation bought myself a plane ticket. I originally planned to go this fall but postponed it to next February due to Covid, who knows if it’ll be any better or different by then, but with all the negative comments I’ve seen from locals lately I’m questioning if I even want to go at all (stay home, get off our island, nobody wants you here, etc.) I’d be there by myself for a month and am so scared that everyone will be mean to me. I want to be a marine biologist so I want to come to Hawaii to see the marine life. There is nothing I care more deeply about than the health of our oceans and environment. I would be staying in a tent and working on a farm on Oahu. So I dont feel that I would in any way be a disrespectful tourist, but I fear that I will be judged and looked down on for simply being there as a mainlander.
Cf
Abby you can go when you like, just realize the uncivilized behavior and attitudes was hid behind closed doors before covid. Hawaii needs a shakeup and rude awakening and heres my opinions.
But you should be safe there just expect nasty looks sometimes and some excuses and the rare service denials. Its mostly asian with a more socialist outlook than America. The individual in hawaii is not as important as the society or group.
Family is everything there and people live together in small spaces. There is some positives but i feel the negative is such a heavy weight and burden on Hawaii. It takes its toll on residents, like the poisonous vog at times, the constant strong sun damage, and the constant cultural, government and military vs locals conflicts and ideology clashes
Paulc
CF you act like the only ride people in the world are in Hawaii. Ever been to New York City? Chicago. Paris? Lmao Hawaiians are wonderful people. They are probably just returning your energy if you have really faced this.
JohnW
Just saw the morning news and the big issue is tourists not respecting or perhaps it’s not being made clear on expected
mask and social distancing protocols…..my take is it’s a mix of weak communication by the state and some
tourists that are in fact disrespectful to the fact that the state wants to protect its self as best it can with a multi layer approach.
We want tourists that have been tested and back that up with masks when appropriate and common sense social distancing.
Sorry, no luau’s for awhile!
So sad this has been so politicized at all levels. All Hawaii has to do is set up a good testing program, keep the mask and social distancing message going and we would be in a great position to get through this as well as possible.
Nothing is going to be 100% full proof, you cannot totally eliminate the conspiracy nuts and some people just don’t care about anyone but themselves…….it’s up to the rest of us.
Aloha to all
Beat of Hawaii
Hi John.
Thanks for much for all your comments.
Aloha.
Joe V
Hey John, Maybe we should segregate the tourist from the Hawaiians. The tourist have test negative for the COVID virus and the Hawaiians can spread it. Just like all good liberals blame everyone but yourselves. I have lived in various countries all over this world for over 25 years. I respected all cultures, religions, sacred sites and lands. I have never been disrespected by anyone except in Hawaii. I have picked up trash thrown on the ground by local teenagers, asked for money by locals driving Cadillac’s. I accepted these things and never said anything. Here I read how much the people of Hawaii dislike tourist. Well, you don’t have to worry about this person returning to Hawaii. I’ll return to Fiji, the Cook Islands, Tahiti and other islands but never again to Hawaii. Maybe when more places close and more Hawaiians are out of work your attitude toward other people will change.
Erik
I’m a really respectful tourist everywhere I go and my first time in Hawaii will be no exception. I just don’t know if this should be my first experience in Hawaii. Whether Covid-19 is a hoax or not, the psychological effect has taken its hold on us all. My first thought is this… Many will not come to Kauai, so that means as a tourist I have the island to explore without the crowds. Or the island will be flooded with tourists and after 7-months and the locals won’t be ready and it could be an uncomfortable situation for all. Let’s say that for some reason my neck of the woods became tourist central… How would I feel during this “unprecedented time”. Sadly my first answer tells me I should stay home. I’m scheduled for that pretest in less than 12-hours time and flying potentially Thursday. I wish I could say I was excited about this, our honeymoon, but I’m have more trepidations than anything.
Respectfully,
One newly-wedded dude in Utah
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Erik.
Sorry to hear how you’re feeling. Certainly, these are unprecedented times, no matter where you are in the world. For what it is worth, our take is you are likely to have a totally wonderful time here, should you decide to come. Let us know. And congratulations!
Aloha.
Phil S
I have never experienced any kind of hostility in my 4 visits to the islands (Maui, Hawaii, Oahu). I could probably pass as a local, but I grew up in California and attended public schools with every kind of people imaginable, including Hawaiians, Tongans, and Samoans. When I was 14 I was privileged to stay with my friend’s Hawaiian family in Honolulu for a month. My advice is just be respectful to people, slow down, accept that things are done differently than where you’re from. Be thankful and polite, smile and treat the land with respect. You will get back what you give.
Denise E
Aloha
Hip I.
I just want to say I’ve visited much of florida and the gulf coast including mexico but for me nothing is better than Oahu and I’ve never seen other tourists show anything but respect for Hawaii.🇱🇷
Hip I.
I just want to say to say I’ve visited much of florida and the gulf coast including mexico but for me nothing is better than Oahu and I’ve never seen other tourists show anything but respect for Hawaii .
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Hello Everyone,
When I went to Hawaii about 2 years so I was so excited. I felt I was really able to learn a lot about the history and see some beautiful sights. This trip had been on my mother’s bucket list her whole life. It was the one place she had always wanted to go. Unfortunately, when we went there were a lot of locals that were extremely unfriendly, we were met with attitude a lot of time. It wasn’t a fun experience about 60% of the time and my mom left sad because it wasn’t what she had hoped for. We did go to a few places (local fruit stands, farmers markets, etc.) where people were very kind and were happy to talk with us and tell us more about their beloved island and those people really made the trip a good time for us.
Overall though, I’m hesitant to recommend it to people I know because no one wants to spend a vacation being treated like they are a nuisance.I hope this will change one day because I loved the history and sights.
That’s horrible! I’m so So sorry that happened to you! People are desperate so be aware if there’s an opportunity to steal from cars that’s the biggest crime on Maui. It’s Not just tourists being targeted either. So scary! If as a local I can do anything to help you guys out let me know. I am truly sorry you’ve been terrorised and victimized Prayers things get better🙏💞💞
🌺Aloha To all the visitors out there I think it is very important that you know the mishandling of the pandemic has been disastrous our leaders have repeatedly lied to us and not enough is being done to ensure the safety of the residents. There is One Hospital on Maui.One! It has been at near capacity throughout this pandemic nightmare and having numerous outbreaks. We have given up so much to be safe to have it squandered for short term gains. What I think a lot of people are getting is the brunt of the fear anguish and loss in hostile attitudes. Its Not just tourists. Its hate spewing from people pushed to the limits and they are snapping. I’m so sorry for all that have had bad experiences, perhaps this will give you some idea why a lot of people aren’t Spilling over with Aloha God Bless and Stay Safe🙏💞
Lived there from early eighties to 1997.Moved back to mainland to take care of parents.I absolutely loved it…the people, the land everything. I had family there…thats how close locals and i felt. When i moved back in 2015 it was all different! I felt hated, i couldn’t wait to leave. Everyones poop smells…even hawaiians but, they think because they have brown skin they are royalty. People on the islands tgat are white gave more Hawaiian blood than most pretenders. You can have it…i wont be vack !!!!!!!!
After visiting Hawaii about once a year for the past 15 years, I experienced hostility from locals for the first time when I visited Maui in October 2019. I was hurt, but not entirely surprised. Hawaiian people often get pushed aside in favour of visitors in housing, and access to the best beaches. Shopping malls, airports and condos are built with tourists in mind, not local people. Every time I visit Hawaii, I see more and more homeless people, as affordable housing is replaced with expensive housing for part time residents or to be rented by the night on Air B&B. If tourists are insensitive or rude to local people, on top of all that, then it’s no wonder local people resent tourists. In my opinion, visitors to Hawaii have an obligation to learn a little about the Hawaiian culture and, always, to show respect for the people who live there.
I have been to a few different places this past year during covid. I followed the rules as i plan to next month while visiting Oahu. I do not want to get covid anymore than the next person but i will not let it keep me from traveling and living my life. I know to social distance and wear a mask and all the rest. Hopefully the locals will be respectful of me because I plan to be respectful to them.
We are a small hippy family who is close to nature and have been on the island for three weeks. Never in my life have a been treated so badly. We had our my purse and then our car with everything it in stolen from a playground in the middle of the day the day before Christmas. No one at the park would help us. Local people swore at us to get the f away from them. The police were slow and rude. I have not cried that hard in decades. A week later we were stopped at traffic and someone came banging on our door yelling profanities at us when I asked to please stop we had children in the car he swore at me even more. I have never been treated so badly in my life. People here are rude, indignant and everyone seems angry and agitated all the time. I was so hopeful to find a peaceful nature-centric people and we have only been met with serious hostility and aggression. Eben the people who “greeted us” at the airport were rude as were the people from the management company of the house we rented. I am saddened and disgusted. It is awful to see such a beautiful place being occupied by such ugly people!
Amanda C yes i had similar experiences back in 2017 with inexcusable rude hawaiians after reporting drug addicts had trashed the grocery store bathroom at kihei maui foodland.
I was discusted because i did nothing wrong. They just didnt want to do anything and i was somehow at fault for bringing it to thier attention.
With my posts on here clearly some are in denial about the situation. In the tourist industry usually most were ok but maybe 10 or 20 percent were there just to make money off the howlie tourist and really had a bad attitude.
So yes i think Florida and usvi are better choices to visit and closer for most Americans and open since june. Common sense snd clear heads seem to prevail there vs chaos racism and hatred if America and Americans in wanna be sovereign hawaii. No aloha for thee only me.
Those that dont feel like hawaii should be doing this crap need to vote and protest and speak up.
I have found that the Hawaiians who work in the tourist industry are extremely kind . The rest of the locals, not so much. A tourist getting into the lineup when the surf is going off is a dangerous proposition. What’s interesting is most of the non Hawaiians that I have run into who have moved there are the most unfriendly.
There are nice people everywhere and not so nice…..but if you want a good example of not nice, actually how clueless someone can be as a new resident…..North Shore of Oahu, a fairly recent arrival who started a business here drives around with the name of his business on his truck and two large Trump flags waving…….not smart, not smart at all.
This is why there is a perception of anger towards non residents or newcomers that are not respectful towards the people that live here, sometimes it’s justified.
Auwe!
So true GUY , recently during my vacation enjoying my morning coffee at Waikiki I was approached by a homeless woman who asked for for money and when I refused she told me to go back where I came from my response was same to you which she had no response to but to walk away.Truth be told most people who grow up in Hawaii end up moving to the mainland.
This is my experience as well , the transplants seem to be the worst.. the actual Hawaiians, they are cautious as they should be. I have been coming regularly since 2007.
We live near Grand Canyon and work at a place that attracts tourists, so have seen both sides. We have been visiting the Islands over 30 years and love them – very special places with very special people.
COVID is bad everywhere but HI has the best response of any state; don’t back down now! It will end in a few months; be sure you are around to enjoy it. The idea from Kauai about turning visitors loose after 3 days with a negative test is completely nuts. Don’t do it!
We love every part of our stays there – especially the markets and catching up with all of our friends there. Our top experience came when we stopped at a county beach park for lunch. A local family was doing the same and they invited us to join them and sample their food. It was solid gold Aloha and we treasure the memory. I think of it every time a tourist comes by here after hours, and I try to give back in that same spirit. I have heard of “haole hate” but never experienced it – and hope I never do. That is not the Hawaii I have come to know and love.
If you see my “MALAMA MAHAULEPU” bumper sticker in Arizona, give a shaka.
As someone who has children and grandchildren living on Kauai who we visit several times a year, I feel that restricting me and anyone who travels from the mainland is a wise policy until this pandemic ends. People on the mainland are struggling financially as well as those on the islands, so the economic issues are not limited to residents of the islands. May we all curb our desires to wander and try to live to see the end of all this chaos. People who think they must go to the islands as tourists are no different from those who feel that they must travel to Las Vegas, and the evidence seems to indicate that both groups of people are equally dangerous to others. What joy do you find in placing my grandchildren at risk of death.
We have been to the Islands numerous times over the years. We appreciate all you do and the respect you try to teach us mainlanders. The reality is your main occupation is tourism. Until that changes, you are hooped. It is not cheap for us mainlanders to come to your Islands. A week trip for us coming from Alberta, Canada, costs $6,000 US for 5-8 days. That may not seem a lot to you, but that is a lot for us, plus we have exchange on that amount.
We wish you well, with whatever choice you make. Please don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
Mahalo,
Sue
Hi Sue.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts from Canada.
Aloha.
LOL wow you staying in a gold lined hotel? For four of us 10 full days including flight and condo cost us 45 dollars a day. Might want to look for more reasonable accomodations
Hi Paul,
The average cost of a Hawaiian vacation, when I lived and drove charter boats there 15 years ago, was $500/day per person. It is a very expensive vacation, for most people a trip of a lifetime.
If you and four people can, today, go there for $45/day… good for you, but I very much doubt that most tourists can do that.
Also I suspect that you are not doing any activities, other than perhaps snorkeling off the beach for this low a cost, (unless you are going to a time share presentation to get cheap tickets).
The least expensive hotel a couple years ago was over $100 per night for the room, I suppose if you were to sneak several extra people into a room your cost can be as low as you state, but otherwise I’m calling BS on $45/day for a vacation anywhere in Hawaii…
45 dollars a day was the condo and our flight for four of us. Not including extra things which I am sure would add at least 50 dollars a day to our visit 🙂 Call BS all you want thats what our cost was.
I call BS. You can’t even FLY to Hawaii for $113 a person, so your $450 wouldn’t even get you there. Then you’d have $0 left to spend on lodging and food and transportation.
Thanks greg k. I agree. Atleast 120 for most hotels in waikiki per night and 400 or around for the flight. Add on atleast 10 dollars onto food prices per day vs mainland unless you have ramen noodles or very simple foods. Shuttle or rental car costs too. Shuttle is 40 roundtrip to airport w tip
You are correct its BS, I been going to kauai for 8years straight for 2 weeks each trip, I have never seen a room or condo for less then $100.00 unless its probably on the beach in a tent,or in your rental car, looking forward to going back.
What island can you do for 180 / day for 4 people? I want to book there. Even if you fly with points, you have found a really great place to stay.
Which Hawaii are you referring to? Did you sail your own boat here and do you camp in your own tent on the side of the road and eat spam??
I’m sure he’s not referring to just the cost of hotel stay. Flights alone are crazy expensive especially during peak seasons. Flights can easily by $1000 per person. $45 hotel is super cheap but depending on the island that is hard to find. We mostly frequent Kauai and I’ve not seen $45 a day unless it’s a roach motel or room you rent from someone.
Mahalo
My wife and I have visited Maui a dozen times times in the last 14 years. I have found everyone we met to be friendly and hospitable. Of course most probably didn’t realize we were travelers as we are friendly and hospitable as well.
Personally, as a tourist, and a human being, I 💯 support taking care of the wildlife and beauty/tradition that makes Hawaii such a special place. Any tourist not wanting to help preserve that beauty for future generations isn’t a rational human being.
The issues I’m having are with the politics and how we are being treated/threatened as tourists. My family trip that was planned back when this all started in March, was a $20,000 investment, something we’ve saved for years to be able to do. Now that I’m seeing how tourists are being treated/threatened by locals, it isn’t worth the risk to ever visit again. Crazy left wing politicians could pull stunts like this at anytime, and I don’t want to get caught up in it.
I respect the culture, environment, and industry in Hawaii, but I’m not willing to spend my hard earned money supporting politicians who are really hurting the local people and tourists. The threat of being stuck in a hotel room for an entire trip, or being watched over like a criminal (with or without ankle monitors) would ruin the entire reason to get away and relax in paradise. I would highly advise locals to take another look at who they have been supporting as politicians as a whole and what they have really done for locals. How many locals have actually died from Covid? Compare that with other states, I don’t know what the numbers are, but I imagine they aren’t much different from other places, and yet the local government has single handily ruined the local economy and damaged tourism for the foreseeable future.
I know Hawaii is different being an island, but how are other island tourist hot spots handling things? When there are easier and more welcoming places to travel, it will hurt Hawaii and its economy tremendously, and most likely permanently. Once someone goes to a different place and falls in love with that place, they may not travel to Hawaii again. There are so many options for people to travel to these days.
Right there with you Casey. We have been visiting the islands and have property on Kaua’i and it is expensive and time consuming to fly there from the east coast. We have switched gears and have traveled to the USVI with their Safe Travel Portal and have not met one person there so far that has been unfriendly to us. Conversely, we have not really experienced the hostility I have seen mentioned by others save for one or two occasions over 10 years.
As a kiwi family that is lucky to holiday in Hawaii (when finances allow). We can understand your delima.
Hawaiian’s have always been hospitable and courteous. First and foremost please know that.
But the crush of tourists does wear on you. NZ is looking to discourage the “freedom campers” and less lucrative tourist that every summer can be found living in self contained vans huh! A bucket for a bathroom. We are tangata whenua and are cursed to pass on to our children the land in better shape than we inherited less we are blamed rightly for its degradation.
It is right that when you visit even from out of state that you are a guest if you want to relax then get off the plane/boat chilled and ready for some Aloha not wanting it delivered like a Mai Tai by the beach.
NZ locked down hard with covid because while we know we have great universal health care it’s just not set up for every to get sick at the same time!!
But it’s almost normal again. Using normal loosely.
Still the surf at Te Ari point will have to suffice for the thrills of running the gauntlet of Waikiki🥰
Ka kite ano, Aloha
I have nothing personal against tourists. I believe that the Hawaii Government should have closed us off Period so no tourists could come in so the Hawaiian Islands could get clean of the virus. That means no ships from the Navy, the Cargo ships that come in should of been unloaded and the workers put in quarantine until they left or 14 days. Our island’s should have been closed completely from the beginning and we would of beat this already and I know this isn’t a popular view but us islanders would now be safe and healthy. I know the livelihoods of so many need the tourists but which would you rather have? Your health and life or your job and money sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and this is that time! With the Government’s help we and if the money would of been distributed properly to the people we would have gotten through this and we wouldn’t be experiencing any deaths right now and the virus would of been contained here. Your family members who passed God Bless them , may not have had to pass.
This is how I feel. It’s not the tourists fault, of course they want to come here to get away. We would too if we were in their situation. So don’t blame them for anything blame our Government who doesn’t think things through thouroughly because our islands could be done with this virus if they had!
Nearly everyone can agree that the delayed response from Ige was essentially a dereliction of duties. He really did just sit on his hands until our cases were already doubling each day. That being said, the military are not tourists, and the cargo ship workers were, in fact, quarantined, and not allowed to leave their ships.
Once the state decided to finally take action they did their jobs to the best of their ability by requiring a 14 day quarantine for anybody arriving from outside of the islands and placing a stay-at-home/work-from-home order. People are people and broke those laws that were put into place, locals and tourists alike.
I just hope you realize that the gov’t was never going to solve this issue. Look at how badly the CDC and WHO have failed. Look at the failures of so many of the state governors and the President in addressing the pandemic. It’s up to us as humans to do the right thing, and be aware of our situation. Cleanliness is next to godliness has never been more true than it is now!
The taxpayers of the rest of the states should not be footing the Bill for your states choices to destroy its economy. Locking your state down is unconstitutional, I’m sure if states like Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, etc. did this it would be viewed as racist, rather than a form of protecting their locals. I think the absolute worst thing you could do is isolate Hawaii even further, and piss of more tourists. Sharing the culture and beauty of Hawaii is what will keep Hawaii strong for generations to come. If people are only able to read about Hawaii, it won’t be long before it’s totally forgotten. People need to experience the beauty, uniqueness, and amazing history/culture of the people to truly appreciate what Hawaii is. If the locals aren’t willing to share that or want to become isolationist, that’s their choice, but don’t expect us to pay for all the problems these policies cause.
You seem to have forgotten about half the cases were from returning residents. Did you plan on banning them as well?
So many people would be homeless and starving! Way more than sick from Covid if you didn’t allow any tourist at all. How could you even think that?
As a long time kamaaina, having lived on three different, and yes, they are very different, islands, I have witnessed both sides of this discussion. Point very well taken that visitors should try to understand that they are guests in our culture. Likewise, locals should realize and treat visitors as guests.
It can be very challenging sometimes with the overwhelming number of tourists to be a welcoming host as a small percentage of them behave poorly, but the burden is on us locals because they are our economic lifeline.
I believe that continued educating of tourists before and during their stay about respect for our culture combined with ongoing reminders to the host population regarding treating tourists as guests should forever be part of the equation.
Being a long time owner of a small condo in Kapaa, I am sad to see new restrictions implemented by the mayor. Somewhat surprised but not shocked by the news. I get it, just a few ICU beds available that really should be reserved for the local population. In the more than fifty years I have been visiting Kauai, I have never had a bad experience with the locals. They have always shown me the respect I have come to expect with the Aloha spirit. I really feel for all the workers that are having to scramble to fed themselves and or their families.
I was so saddened to hear that Foodland” closed. The people who worked there were so genuine and friendly. Where am I going to find another poke display like that? Luckily, we got to come over in February, just before the first restrictions were put in place. I was seriously looking to come back over this week! Glad I didn’t make that decision. I look forward to coming back as soon as it’s safe. Be and think positive…life as we knew it will get back to some kind of new normal.
We have visited Hawaii, mainly Kauai several times. I’m a nurse that works hard in the mainland. I enjoy going and relaxing and spending money that I have worked hard for. I live in the United States and the last time I looked Hawaii was still apart of the United States. How can they tell us we cannot visit. But I do believe as a nurse I understand the limited resources. We have a trip scheduled in late February and we are probably going to cancel because I don’t want to go somewhere and be treated badly because I want to enjoy and relax in the most beautiful place I have ever been. I’m not sure we will ever be back, and I know a lot of others that are feeling the same way. We follow the rules, we wear masks and will abide with everything that is required to enter Hawaii. I’m tired , after going through this Pandemic , the last place I want to be is somewhere I’m not wanted. This makes me incredibly sad.
Thank you for your observations as a medical professional. If you can separate your disappointment with your Kauai plans for a moment, you would realize that unfortunately you are in the minority on the mainland. While Hawaii has tried to protect its citizens, resources and limited medical capacity, many states have ignored basic public health guidelines and even more mainlanders either think the virus is a hoax or refuse to wear masks or keep those same basic, common sense guidelines as their barometer. The U.S. mainland has the highest daily infection counts, the most dead, and now we are truly in for a bleak winter.
It is truly best if you delay your visit until there is both a change in behavior and hopefully an effective vaccine. Don’t let this virus sour your love for Kauai. Encourage everyone you know to be safe, follow common sense, and your next visit will be there when you and the virus is ready.
I think many people will be delaying/canceling their trips to Hawaii indefinitely. I plan the big trips in my family of six, and we had to cancel our trip to Hawaii back in March, now looking to rebook, I will be spending the $20,000 on a trip to a different location as long as Delta flies there since my credits are with them. Hate to see Hawaii self implode due to fear mongering and politicians only out to help themselves or their political party. I’ve been wanting to visit Puerto Rico for quite some time, but usually end up going to Hawaii since we live on the west coast and have started a family tradition of travel to Hawaii. Now the choices of local politicians in Hawaii are offering me a good reason to book to PR this year rather than making a trip to a place we are clearly not wanted. Hopefully the locals in PR are more welcoming and willing to share their culture and natural beauty.
I would be interested in where you plan to travel. Mexico? Europe? Asia? Central America? South Africa? These places have both loose public health protocols, rising infection rates and/or (in the case of Europe and Asia)bans or restrictions on travel for U.S. citizens.
If Puerto Rico is your intended destination, you can certainly get there, as it is a U.S. protectorate. But please ask yourself whether putting your and your family’s safety and health at risk is worth a vacation.
My advice would be to wait a few more months to see whether the vaccine and strict requirements for masking, social distancing and frequent hand sanitizing combine to tamp down the viral transmission.
Now that President Biden has stepped up vaccination and declared safety protocols for ALL interstate travel by public convenience (air, train, bus), we may see the ebb and waning of the pandemic by late 2021.
Vacations can wait. This coming from a vacay rental owner simply wishing everyone dealing with this crisis to use common sense and patience.
I recommend you try the beautiful island of Cozumel. Its 3 hours from Dallas and 5 from Miami. Gracious locals who truly appreciate tourists. There are many gorgeous all inclusive resorts on the southern end of the island with spectacular sunsets.
Yep, once people find a welcoming population willing to share their area’s beauty and culture somewhere else, Hawaii will suffer even more. Too many choices for tourists these days to be pushing people away. Once someone visits a more welcoming and open location, their annual travel may exclude Hawaii and new tradition made in other locations.
Good Dan go elsewhere then and prices will be cheaper for me and my friends to visit Hawaii.
Though Mexico’s reporting of COVID statistics is likely under-reported, the actual reported toll and lack of travel restrictions (no mask requirements, no PCR test prior, etc.) are reflected in what IS reported. Mexico likely has a 25% infection rate, and the reported stats show the same large spike in infections since the holidays as the U.S. mainland.
I love Mexico and the Mexican people as well, especially Quintana Roo, but please ask yourself whether the latest game of Russian Roulette is a smart move in a pandemic.
Ditto
There’s 2 side’s to every coin. Most tourists are nice and so are most locals. Theres racism for sure,it’s breed in them,
I’ve witnessed some hatred from the locals. I’ve been told “locals only” at some locations. I’ve received threatening gestures. And I’ve even been confused for being a local. It’s confusing and can be scary. The hate comes from locals who seem to think tourists are ruining Hawaii. But all the vandalism and graffiti seems to be from the locals. Personally, I’ve not seen any tourist misbehaving. Driving bad, yes.
lol ok I’m betting you showed attitude act like you belong
Wish that I could say that was true. The negativity sent to me occurred when I attempted to pull into a beach parking lot. Never even had a chance to say good morning. I just leave when people are hostile. To many beaches to get bent out of shape. To be fair, I used to see the same at beaches in Cali. I think it’s a surfer thing more than anything else.
Jlm that was my experiences also. Its true it only takes one bad local to ruin things for a large group of people. The store experiences i had locals didnt even know me and i had simply brought a serious problem with dirty bathroom to thier attention.
They clearly didnt want to be at the job or do the job, but really unprofessional to take out thier anger on customers who arnt misbehaving. Any other place ive been in usa its rare to see that level of dysfunction and hate of tourists or customers.
I’ve never had bad experiences with locals, but I have heard stories, I have just been lucky I guess. But one thing I am seeing is comments from locals and possibly just online trolls pushing politics, and it’s definitely not welcoming and is actively turning me off and making me not want to spend my hard earned money and precious time off in Hawaii.
Dan
Go to any visitors site around the world. You will find the same trolls spreading negative information that mostly is not true. I treat others as I would expect to get treated.
Many visitors have expressed their appreciation for the beauty of our state, and for the overall sense of Aloha that is shared with them.
But…many come with a sense of entitlement that coming here allows them to disregard the local norms, and community standards. It’s those visitors who should travel to locales where their sense if entitlement can be catered to.
Liam o, people spend triple the amount of money on average to come visit hawaii. If hawaii wants tourists and tourist dollars then yes they DO need to cater to the needs of tourists. And yes hawaii continues to depend completely on tourist dollars for some reason?
Like anything else you get what you pay for. If tourists are upset or feel entitled then it is the responsibility of hawaii lawmakers and residents to work things out so that everyone can have a more positive experience.
Unfortunately the hawaii first attitude doesn’t work well in America. Cash only stores need to accept credit cards and its time that hawaii strengthens its bonds with the rest of usa. For the sake of economics and responsibilities of us citizens etc. having all this dysfunctional behavior is not the answer and all the racism and divide.
Things could be much much worse for hawaii atleast there is money from tourists to pay for all the roads etc. and gotta pay for all the beach park maintenance, airports, nice homes cars etc
I am guessing you must not have traveled much. Its not just the islands its any small community asshats can be found everywhere. Entitled tourists also are found everywhere. Try being nice and you will be treated nicely.
Simple golden rule seems to work best everywhere. Have courteous respect for others, and hopefully they will have the same for you. It’s a simple concept we should all try to remember to follow. I do agree, jerks are always present, in every group, no matter where a person is, but they are also the tiny minority and shouldn’t be used to judge an entire group of people whether they are tourists or locals.
You have expressed on numerous occasions your disdain for Hawaii and the way the state is trying to protect its citizens. Your reflections illustrate the very reason why Hawaii wants less people with your attitude. I have only one question. Since you readily and repeated trash Hawaii, why are you still on this site?
James
Well stated. CF cant seem to get enough of the trash talking to the citizens here and to the State overall, so much so that he is on the Beat of Hawaii regularly.
I’m surprised actually that it is being permitted.
I say we take a vote and vote the negative Nellie CF off this great site where people are actually trying to find information about Hawaii not trash Hawaii
I don’t think silencing people because they disagree is a good idea, it’s good to hear the positive and negative aspects of a place when researching a trip/vacation. Especially when cost and more importantly time off is such a valuable resource these days. I for one, would lose respect and interest in a site that censors people just because we or a certain small group of people disagree with someone. I personally applaud the people who run the boards and site for allowing people to express their views, from all sides. If all you hear is an echo chamber, you lose important insight. If the tourist industry tanks, and you aren’t willing to find out why or listen to people, it will never recover. If the locals are treating tourists badly, and tourists don’t listen and try to understand what is bothering locals, the problem will only get worse, not better.
How many of the people on here just live in Hawaii vs being born and raised there or having Polynesian blood. I have much respect for actual Hawaiians, and I’m interested to hear their opinions, but I’m also very aware of lots of people who “live” in Hawaii, that aren’t even Hawaiian that love to push their politics on others, they are usually the ones that are unwelcoming. Can any true locals offer some insight into the conversations above? I feel like part of the culture I’ve experienced in the past is that “welcoming attitude” and willingness to share and educate willing tourists about their ways and culture. That’s what’s always made Hawaii so great and interesting to travel to. It was an entire experience, learning about the culture, the land, the food, the traditions…that’s what I love about Hawaii, not the modern generic hotel/beach travel that can be had at millions of other locations. Without that entire experience, Hawaii isn’t much different than any number of tropical beaches on the mainland.
Dan to your comment about negative commenters. I agree to a point but there are several than are here non stop and always spewing negativity specifically towards Hawaiians. I agree that the mods do the best job they can to keep a nice informational site for us to see. That being said get off Hawaiis butt. They are hardly the only state in this situation
Hi Paul.
Just an aside here. You should see the ones that got away (those comments that we would not publish)!
Aloha.
I am appalled by the negative comments of visitors. I have had family on Oahu for nearly a century. It sounds like these visitors are equating Waikiki with all of Oahu which is very sad. The tourist industry in Waikiki is just that….an industry. They do depend on tourism. But the rest of the state has many more means of income. On Oahu it is mainly from the military and the civilian jobs they create. Agriculture used to play a big role on some of the other islands until greedy developers grabbed up so much land to build condos and tourist accommodations. I have seen many tourists from many lands come to the islands with an entitlement attitude. That’s definitely not the Aloha spirit. Before you blame Hawaii for trying to protect its people during this pandemic, please look in a mirror and determine which kind of visitor you want to be. Mahalo.
I agree, it works both ways. If all a tourist wants is a beach and service, there are easier places to travel to get that. Hawaii offers so much more with its amazing culture, history, and natural beauty. Unfortunately the local politicians are making it clear to travelers, that they aren’t wanted though. The destruction of the local economy and how that will impact locals will be felt for years to come. When people like myself, who travel to Hawaii because we love the culture and beauty feel pushed away and unwelcome by the local government, you know Hawaii is in trouble. I am always open minded and very easy going, but all these harsh rules and discrimination towards visitors is making even the most die hard Hawaii lovers turn away from our visits. The welcoming spirit is dying, and it’s clearly visible to anyone who looks, don’t let the local politicians push agendas that will cause more long term and short term damage than the actual virus does.
exactly! People feel they are owed something because of their privilege’s
It’s an unfortunate truth but not all tourists know how to behave. 🙁 It doesn’t take more than a few people to ruin it for everyone else. It’s best to follow the golden rule and lead by example.
And it only takes one hostile local to change the demeanor of many tourists. I witnessed a store owner in Lahaina yelling at a family because their two kids stepped up onto the front steps of his closed store. The kids stepped up and then back down. And this store owner flipped out, yelling “I’m sick of you people. You people come here and do what you want. I don’t need you suing me because your kids got hurt.” If you hate tourists, why do you run a souvenir shop in Lahaina?
read your own words. The store was closed. This is hardly exclusive to Hawaii. Give me a break.
I was hoping to hear what native, Aboriginal Hawaiians think about tourism, not white colonizer ‘locals’ or ‘residents’. is there any polling on what actual Hawaiians think?
Reese you could start one but good luck in finding any people that are 100%
native Hawaiian.
That’s because the native Hawaiians were pretty much wiped out by disease during the last rounds of pandemics brought by people from other places.
Wow, I guess that sums up your opinion about being welcoming and open to other places/opinions or people. Scary thought, but if you really want to stop all travel to Hawaii, should we have that work both ways, no Hawaiians can visit the mainland, should we stop sending federal money other than what the state contributes? I think your opinion is rather eye opening, and probably doesn’t represent how the majority of locals really feel, but maybe I’m wrong, after all, it’s just my opinion.
Dan,
What part of this is an island in the middle of the pacific? A set of islands with limited resources as in hospitals etc. You allow Millions to start flowing as usual into Hawaii with the virus the islands will be wiped out. Personally I think all states should shut down all but essential travel between states until the vaccine is successfully rolled out and the numbers drop sufficiently. IN fact a number of states are requiring quarantines now and lock downs. Its not just Hawaii.
They don’t have to be 100% native Hawaiian, but at least people who are multigenerational from Hawaii. I think we hear a lot from transplants who like to say they are “local”, but clearly don’t seem to exude the “Aloha” spirit that the culture seems to have openly exhibited in my past experiences. I find it hard to believe that the true Hawaiians are so unwelcoming about sharing their culture. I have always had great experiences learning about the culture, history, and beauty Hawaii has to offer, but now I’m hearing so much unwelcoming resentment towards tourists from so called locals that I’m having a hard time believing it. If Hawaii is truly becoming this hostile towards visitors it is a sad thing indeed and a disappointment to all of us who truly appreciate and love the culture. Many of the rude and unwelcoming comments I have read Seem to be more about policies and politics. The idea on here that only certain views should be allowed to be posted is a very scary thought to me and runs contrary to both constitutional norms, but also Hawaiian culture.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think the majority of these negative comments from people calling themselves locals are probably transplants from other places.can anyone offer some insight?
In the 1980 census, there were only 500 “pure” Hawaiians left in Hawaii,being 40 years ago, I am sure that number is far, far lower.
I was thinking the same thing, I would like to hear what the multi generational Hawaiian locals have to say, not just the loudest transplants pushing their political ideals and opinions.
My parents taught me to be respectful, and the lessons took, for the most part. Anyone who invites tourists takes the risk of having to deal with a few who are outright rude, crude and disrespectful. Thanks to all who take that risk on my behalf. I hope I never violate the trust you give to me. Your trust allows me to experience things I could never see or do without your gamble! Aloha and Mahalo!
Hi Eldon.
Thanks for your nice words.
Aloha.
Exactly, it works both ways, and jerks are found in every place and group of people, but they are usually a tiny percentage of the actual population. Just because they scream the loudest doesn’t mean they represent the majority. Having mutual respect for each other, our customs, culture, etc is what we all need to keep in mind. Many of the tourists are from places that have their own cultures as well, even other states have values that differ from on another, but let’s try and be respectful and treat each other how we would like to be treated. Having conversations is what helps all of us understand the differences we share and why we deal the way we do, without those, we are flying blindly and making chooses that aren’t informed.
I’m a native Californian who didn’t experience Hawaii until 2006. Since then we have tried to return at least every other year, to Kauai. I think I understand why Hawaiians are often repulsed by the insensitivity, rudeness, and ignorance of some tourists. I was horrified to read a comment posted here, earlier this year, from a tourist who was fed up because President Obama might be purchasing a home in Hawaii. Her post said that if he were to buy or build a home, she would never return to Hawaii again. That didn’t just repulse me, a person of color, but made me think what Hawaiians, including President Obama, must have to endure by others who disrespect their land and their people.
Mahalo nui loa.
Hi Dorothy.
Thanks for your comments. We appreciate it.
Aloha.
Dorothy, sadly, there are people out there that do think like the person you referred to, “if Obama builds a home there I’m not coming”.
Personally I have to remind myself most people are not like that, not even most “trumpies”. But the fact that the extremists say they aren’t coming to Hawaii is a good thing for the State. When her type stays away Hawaii wins.
I think the whole locals vs tourists debate on here has been a little blown out of proportion . There are isolated instances for sure when a local gets fed up with the subtle or not so subtle racists that visit. Rude, disrespectful behavior isn’t always well tolerated here. But by far most visitors are not like that. Most are having a wonderful time here and the proof is how many people do visit Hawaii.
If someone is having a problem with Hawaii it says more about them then any reflection on the State.
Nobody should read this blog and assume the “Local don’t like tourists”, instead read it for what it is, some people do act in a way that is offensive and they also post on blogs with the same attitude. They are a small minority of visitors and the vast silent majority is the norm and have a great time when they are here. They are warmly embraced by the tourist industry as it’s a win win deal for everyone.
Aloha to all
Hi John.
Thanks for your thoughts and all your comments. We appreciate it.
Aloha.
Very well said. Excellent perspective. Thank You!!
Hi Dorothy I vacation in Hawaii every year and I have never come across these insensitive rude ignorant tourists you mention.In my experience the local residents are equally respectful.
Hip l that was usually my experience there. I dont know what its like with the covid there. The homelessness there has been out of control as far back as 2012 to 2016. I have no idea if its better now or not. I know on beat of hawaii there were few negative posts on here until covid happened. I just know that because hawaii is an island costs are higher on everything. So even if the Hawaii govt didnt lock down or place any restrictions the groceries would go up and hospitals would stay pretty full.
I agree that it’s absurd to judge a place because of someone who is from there, or wants to move there, or any other reason about one person. That’s just a cop out in my mind and a bully mentality. I’m not a supporter of Obama, but I don’t see what that has to do with an entire state or population. Who cares where Obama, Trump, or any other person wants to live, that’s no reflection of the local population or anything else. As long as they follow the same rules and are held to the same standards as the population, it shouldn’t matter.
As a fellow person of ethic background, I do t see what our skin color has to do with anything. No offense, but I just don’t see how that is pertinent to anything we are discussing on this board and injecting it into the conversation can be used to divide people rather than unite people.
I do agree that Hawaiian probably don’t always have positive experiences with tourists, but I bet many do have positive experiences. There are plenty of us that travel to Hawaii because we love the culture and heritage, I learn something new every time, and I am very appreciative of people willing to share their history and culture with me so openly. I also believe that there are tourists that aren’t treated very nicely, but I bet that’s also a small percentage. I believe the majority of people are respectful both ways, and it’s good to hear other points of view to learn from one another. Hopefully this board will continue to be a place where we can research our travel plans and learn what to do, and not do to upset or insult each other, but rather learn from these encounters and strengthen what we do have in common and respect one another’s differences.
Hi my name is Paul from Calgary wishing for a vaccine so we can all be safe. I will wait until there is one to book a trip to the place I love most. Hope to see you soon.
Hey Paul C, I live in Idaho, I actually moved here 2 years ago. I have been to many small towns here in Idaho and have never met anything well wishes. You are listening way too much to the liberal press and worst yet you believe what they tell you. I just want to set the record straight Idaho is a great place to live and raise a family. Watch this video (Warning: Link Deleted Per Comment Rules). This is just one of many videos about needy people here. One thing they all have in common is they don’t complain, they work and they don’t ask for hand-outs. This is a lesson that other people should learn. So, don’t tell me Idaho isn’t a good place to live.
This is about Hawaii. Why are you talking about Idaho?
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Maui is over rated.
Like anywhere else paul c some people are friendly some arnt.
Hawaii is on island time way of thinking and some think that usa owes them something because hawaii became a state. Its a bit behind in terms of way of thinking. It can be really slow and hard to get things done. On mainland people do things faster and more efficiently. Hawaii is islanders with islander mentality. Its not always bad but it is definitely not like living in the modern world To me atleast.
Alot of places in hawaii if you live like a local are small cramped dirty compared with the mainland. Its no ones fault really but recognize the issues paul c before you open your mouth. Tourists notice this stuff and yes they don’t understand it. I do understand it and yes it can be annoying even to locals that have lived on the mainland.
Young people leave the island in droves for more opportunities and quality of life for a reason. Im happy i lived there for a few years was a good experience overall.
YOu do know the history of Hawaii and how Mainland USA basically stole it from the natives and made it be part of our nation right?
Go to a little town in Idaho and you will find their attitudes towards outsiders is way worse than any that Hawaiians might show. And why should hawaii be forced to live in this modern mainland world you speak of? I am guessing pretty much any island anywhere you go will have some of this. I have traveled extensively and I never judge a place just because.
Paul c i liked People in idaho. Its friendly and id actually love to stay in a mtn cabin there sometime.
If some want to feel hawaii was stolen then they need to file complaints with the federal govt not attack tourists which are source of revenue for the state. I think that is really innefectual.
i am not responsible for 1950s actions. I was born in early1980s. Anyone that was born in 60s or later should not be thinking about succeeding from usa or getting upset etc.
Thank you very much for your time to help us adjust. Glancing through the comments, I can understand why they think Hawaiians are “rude”. When the Zonies (Arizona) come to San Diego, they are rude, they drive fast cut people off, leave their trash, etc.. This apparently is who many of them are & if they bring this behavior of disrespect to Hawaii, who can blame them? Personally, my experiences on the islands have always been very positive. My mom is part native American & I’ve been raised to respect the land & people. (My dad French Canadian where manners are
important) Respect is huge with both Hawaiians & Native Americans. It isn’t a lot to ask. There’s a song by Leon Russell called “Magic Mirror” those who think they’re rude might do well to listen to the words. Mahalo for reading this.
Hi Marla.
Thanks for your comments. Yes, Hawaii isn’t unique in all ways.
Aloha.
We visited for 5 nights starting on day 1, Oct 15. We masked religiously, and did our best to behave as respectful guests.
The vast majority of people were friendly and welcoming, but we did have one afternoon at black rock where, on an otherwise empty beach, a man laying there remarked to his friend, “Oh $#!+. Here comes the master race.”
Sad but telling that a Nazi term has resurfaced but that seems to be pretty common in America now…… the last few years has seen a tremendous surge in all kinds of racist and hateful speech and of course we all know why.
As you said most people are nice and can’t stress enough, Hawaii is still Hawaii and it’s always been you find what you bring.
The Aloha spirit is still a big part of the islands and not hard to find….especially now that it’s not that crowded!
One of the requirements to post should be “no implied political commentary “.
So much of this is politics in reality, one way or another it’s part of the conversation.
What do visitors think about other visitors perhaps is a good question. When I see ignorant people disrespecting the culture and not following requests and instructions I do not think much of my fellow visitors (for although I am a regular repeat visitor (4-5 times a year for almost 30 years) I class mysekf as a visitor. I find there is an inverse correlation between belonging to and being welcoming. Kama’ainas to whom you show respect are very welcoming where Malahinis tend not to be and what to tell everyone else what to do. THen we have the Macronesians who come under treaty and whose youth seem to be the cause of much anto Visitor crime. Looking forward to the Holidays if the USA reopens by then.
No paul c it does not excuse mahini or native Hawaiians behavior towards tourists. Aloha does not work with that or being a hypocrite. You are entitled to your opinion however.
Also richS comments on micronesians is true also, i have dealt with them. They leave plastic bottles filled with urine all over The Urban neighborhoods in guam. They throw trash in the jungle including full size black trash bags. They also burn thier trash still.
I think This is Hawaiis legacy going forward if it does not change its tune very quickly. I dont feel like commenters on here can justify the confusion and attacks on tourism industry. Its simply wrong and biting the hand that feeds you.
Funny thing CF if you treat people well you will be treated well. Its called do unto others. If I am a jerk to someone I totally expect to be treated as a jerk. Dont like how your treated in Hawaii feel free to go elsewhere. I have been many places in my life and as long as I treated their home with respect and was a nice person i have always been treated nice. You seem to have a particular obsession with this thread of thinking so why if you think they are so horrible are you still here?
I find it funny paul c that you want to tolerate bad behavior from Hawaiians but not from tourists.
You say im being a jerk but really its always been that way in hawaii before i came along 😀. Its just ramped up now w covid fears. Tossing out the baby with the bathwater isnt the way to go
I will say it again. Treat people nice and well and you will get the same back. Nope not always. There are jerks no matter where you go but if you go in with the attitude you have towards the locals of course you will get that same energy back at you. Try being nice and see how that goes
I agree with the golden rule, but I also see the side of what others are saying. Being treated like a threat/criminal before we even get to Hawaii probably isn’t the best message to send to tourists. As long as Hawaii’s economy is dependent on tourism, tourists will need to be involved in this crucial conversation.
I am not planning on visiting because I feel unwelcome and there are too many risks associated with isolation or a ruined vacation to gamble my families precious time off together. They are even discussing adding more hoops to jump through to visit, like additional testing three days in, or proof of antibodies/vaccine….where does it end? Protection and responsible practices are one thing, but these restrictions are seen by many of us as an invariant and hurdle that is unnecessary. There are too many other choices of places to travel that don’t have these obstacles, and some of the comments that are negative towards travelers, may be what ends our interest in a visit. I truly don’t think people are on here just to argue, we all clearly care about Hawaii and what makes her so great. We just have different opinions and are trying to offer each other insight into those to better understand each other and ensure Hawaii doesn’t turn into a third world country. No one wants to see Hawaiians out of work/poor/homeless or businesses closed up, so we are all trying to express what needs to happen to prevent that. If we don’t start finding middle ground, the damage will continue, and Covid will be the least of our worries.
Great comment and very on point. I agree, have respect and 99.9% of the time, you will receive the same. Sometimes people have bad days, sometimes people are just jerks, we never know what’s going on in another persons life, but having respect and compassion is a great way to live by.
I think what many of us are feeling is that due to politics, things may be getting overblown, and it’s causing a division amongst people and seems to be directed at tourists as if we are the problem. I’m not saying Covid is not a real threat, or that it is, but I do feel that the local government is making it difficult to travel to Hawaii and its coming across to tourists as being rude/political. Hopefully Hawaii can figure out how to balance things without the need to restrict fellow Americans and tourists from visiting and enjoying her beauty and culture. I hate to see what is happening to the local economies and families losing work and closing down such unique local businesses. The last thing any of us want to see is boarded up shops and then all that’s left is the National chains that have no local flavor or culture.
I personally think Hawaii should open back up and be more inclusive, the tourism industry makes up too big a part of the local economy to risk alienating travelers. I also just don’t like the idea of states shutting down and telling people they can’t visit or having extreme protocols in place that will likely do more damage than what they are intended to protect. If everyone would leave politics aside, and start listening to each other we would find some middle ground.
The people of Hawaii are wonderful accommodating amd friendly. Visitors as shown here and across other threads posted by this great site clearly show why they are treated the way they are
Hi Paul.
Thanks for those nice words. And for 255 comments.
Aloha.
Mahalo Beat of Hawaii. Thanks for putting up with me! I didnt realize I had posted that many times! Hopefully one day I will actually have my feet on the ground in Hawaii! thanks for all you do!
Hi Paul.
LOL. Yep, that makes 255, and we do appreciate it.
Aloha.
Mahalo for your information. We have been looking for our forever home in Hilo, as my sister in law & nephew live on the Big Island. I was born & raised in So California with Canadian manners from my dad. I’m a haole, but I want to learn the Hawaiian language as well as Pidgin. Will this be frowned upon or acceptable? I want t embrace the Hawaiian culture, with respect. Do you have any advice on this?
Hi Marla.
UH has an intro to the Hawaiian language that anyone can participate in. No issue and more culturally acceptable. Pigeon is more complicated culturally.
Aloha.
Thank you very much. <3
I have been wanting to travel to Hawaii for years and finally to celebrate my college graduation bought myself a plane ticket. I originally planned to go this fall but postponed it to next February due to Covid, who knows if it’ll be any better or different by then, but with all the negative comments I’ve seen from locals lately I’m questioning if I even want to go at all (stay home, get off our island, nobody wants you here, etc.) I’d be there by myself for a month and am so scared that everyone will be mean to me. I want to be a marine biologist so I want to come to Hawaii to see the marine life. There is nothing I care more deeply about than the health of our oceans and environment. I would be staying in a tent and working on a farm on Oahu. So I dont feel that I would in any way be a disrespectful tourist, but I fear that I will be judged and looked down on for simply being there as a mainlander.
Abby you can go when you like, just realize the uncivilized behavior and attitudes was hid behind closed doors before covid. Hawaii needs a shakeup and rude awakening and heres my opinions.
But you should be safe there just expect nasty looks sometimes and some excuses and the rare service denials. Its mostly asian with a more socialist outlook than America. The individual in hawaii is not as important as the society or group.
Family is everything there and people live together in small spaces. There is some positives but i feel the negative is such a heavy weight and burden on Hawaii. It takes its toll on residents, like the poisonous vog at times, the constant strong sun damage, and the constant cultural, government and military vs locals conflicts and ideology clashes
CF you act like the only ride people in the world are in Hawaii. Ever been to New York City? Chicago. Paris? Lmao Hawaiians are wonderful people. They are probably just returning your energy if you have really faced this.
Just saw the morning news and the big issue is tourists not respecting or perhaps it’s not being made clear on expected
mask and social distancing protocols…..my take is it’s a mix of weak communication by the state and some
tourists that are in fact disrespectful to the fact that the state wants to protect its self as best it can with a multi layer approach.
We want tourists that have been tested and back that up with masks when appropriate and common sense social distancing.
Sorry, no luau’s for awhile!
So sad this has been so politicized at all levels. All Hawaii has to do is set up a good testing program, keep the mask and social distancing message going and we would be in a great position to get through this as well as possible.
Nothing is going to be 100% full proof, you cannot totally eliminate the conspiracy nuts and some people just don’t care about anyone but themselves…….it’s up to the rest of us.
Aloha to all
Hi John.
Thanks for much for all your comments.
Aloha.
Hey John, Maybe we should segregate the tourist from the Hawaiians. The tourist have test negative for the COVID virus and the Hawaiians can spread it. Just like all good liberals blame everyone but yourselves. I have lived in various countries all over this world for over 25 years. I respected all cultures, religions, sacred sites and lands. I have never been disrespected by anyone except in Hawaii. I have picked up trash thrown on the ground by local teenagers, asked for money by locals driving Cadillac’s. I accepted these things and never said anything. Here I read how much the people of Hawaii dislike tourist. Well, you don’t have to worry about this person returning to Hawaii. I’ll return to Fiji, the Cook Islands, Tahiti and other islands but never again to Hawaii. Maybe when more places close and more Hawaiians are out of work your attitude toward other people will change.
I’m a really respectful tourist everywhere I go and my first time in Hawaii will be no exception. I just don’t know if this should be my first experience in Hawaii. Whether Covid-19 is a hoax or not, the psychological effect has taken its hold on us all. My first thought is this… Many will not come to Kauai, so that means as a tourist I have the island to explore without the crowds. Or the island will be flooded with tourists and after 7-months and the locals won’t be ready and it could be an uncomfortable situation for all. Let’s say that for some reason my neck of the woods became tourist central… How would I feel during this “unprecedented time”. Sadly my first answer tells me I should stay home. I’m scheduled for that pretest in less than 12-hours time and flying potentially Thursday. I wish I could say I was excited about this, our honeymoon, but I’m have more trepidations than anything.
Respectfully,
One newly-wedded dude in Utah
Hi Erik.
Sorry to hear how you’re feeling. Certainly, these are unprecedented times, no matter where you are in the world. For what it is worth, our take is you are likely to have a totally wonderful time here, should you decide to come. Let us know. And congratulations!
Aloha.
I have never experienced any kind of hostility in my 4 visits to the islands (Maui, Hawaii, Oahu). I could probably pass as a local, but I grew up in California and attended public schools with every kind of people imaginable, including Hawaiians, Tongans, and Samoans. When I was 14 I was privileged to stay with my friend’s Hawaiian family in Honolulu for a month. My advice is just be respectful to people, slow down, accept that things are done differently than where you’re from. Be thankful and polite, smile and treat the land with respect. You will get back what you give.
Aloha
I just want to say I’ve visited much of florida and the gulf coast including mexico but for me nothing is better than Oahu and I’ve never seen other tourists show anything but respect for Hawaii.🇱🇷
I just want to say to say I’ve visited much of florida and the gulf coast including mexico but for me nothing is better than Oahu and I’ve never seen other tourists show anything but respect for Hawaii .