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Aloha again.
My plan is to travel LHR-LAX 3 Jan (Covid test booked on Jan 2) Once I arrive in LAX there is a Clarity Labs Facility in TB Terminal and I’ll book a test there (when booking open). Only when the result comes in can I complete Hawaii Safe Travels documents. Overnight at LAX. Depart LAX for LIH at 8.30a.m. on Hawaiian 63 the morning of Jan 4. I hope that Hawaiian will allow me to don the wristband!
Sounds like a plan or what?
What do you guys think?
Mahalofor your considered help.
Hi Michael.
Clarity says within an hour as one PCR test option. Also 3-5 hours. So it sounds workable based on those. Please let us know how it all works.
Aloha.
Aloha Rob & Jeff.
It’s Thanksgiving Month, so Happy Thanksgiving.
My vacation details – Belfast – London, then London to LAX with a stopover ibefore going on to Lihue. The logistics are getting a Covid Lateral Flow test in London on January 2 for travel to LAX on January 3.. I will get a further test on arrival at LAX and depart for Lihue on January 3 That all good, I hope? Is that time enough to fill up safe travel details? Hope so!!! Mahalo for your help.
Hi Michael.
How long will you be at LAX? Do you have a test lined up with a Hawaii trusted testing partner that is an approved rapid one? And maybe a backup plan. Also do get a wrist band before boarding for Hawaii to simplify things.
Aloha.
So, the clarification I received is that Hawaii will not follow the US Change to accept vaccinations from travelers from the majority of countries affected. An exception to vaccinations for passengers from the Pacific routes which fly direct into Hawaii but as of now, Hawaii does not accept Foreign Vaccinations from travelers who are required to connect on the mainland. The way to avoid the ban is to fly from Europe, Brazil, Mexico etc via Canada, Japan or the like.
Hi Rich.
Confusing. We do not find that in the Safe Travels documentation. Can you provide any clarification you received.
Aloha.
hawaiicovid19.com/travel/faqs/
If I’m flying through another state or territory before arriving to Hawai‘i, is that still considered direct travel because I’m on the same flight itinerary?
No. International passengers entering the U.S. from another state or territory will be treated as domestic travelers when entering the State of Hawai‘i. You will need to participate in the State of Hawai‘i’s Safe Travels program. Click here to create a Safe Travels account…in FAQ’s.
Hi Rich.
That does for now at least appear to be correct. There are still more details to be worked out.
Aloha.
According to Hawaii’s COVID-19 website, starting Nov 8, 2021, Hawaii will allow travelers vaccinated anywhere in the world to be exempt from quarantine and testing requirements. However, you must still fill out the Safe Travels form at travel.hawaii.gov and upload your proof of vaccination.
“Any traveler who is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 in the United States or U.S. Territories (this will expand on November 8 and include all countries.) will be eligible for the quarantine exception.”
Bob, your statement is true if vaccinated in the US or US territories. Foreign or US Citizens vaccinated overseas with Pfizer, Modena etc who travel to Hawaii clearing immigration on the mainland will not have their Vaccination accepted by Hawaii and need a Partner Test the same as someone without a vaccination. Hawaii only follows the US policy for flights arriving from another country. Presumably because they are covered by Federal Law and Ige cannot contest it.
I agree with the first 3 commenters. Hawaii has brought this upon itself for listening to Ige, Green, and the fear mongers who are Not following the science. I own 3 timeshares in Hawaii that I have not be able to enjoy since Covid started because I Refuse to take this vaccine. Furthermore, I have had Covid and have natural antibodies. They are totally ignoring the science concerning natural antibodies. This is all about politics and Not about science.
The Governor is not aligning with US Federal requirements. Passengers who have non stop flights will have foreign vaccines accepted but if you enter the USA at a mainland airport as all travelers from Europe have to do, will not have their foreign vaccination accepted. So a US citizen vaccinated overseas will not have their vaccination accepted if they change planes. This would be a clear violation of Amdt14.S1.4.3.2.1 of the US Constitution. Can you get clarification please?
Hi Rich.
How direct travel is defined has not been clarified at this point. Hopefully it will be soon.
Aloha.
Thanks for swift reply. Hawaii will eventually have to accept foreign vaccines with FDA or WHO approval. Taking the universal IATA interpretation of a connection being flight continuation under 24 hours would lessen their burden of proof and make such regulations less likely to be immediately subject to a temporary injunction in Federal Court, Let us not forget that Air travel and Interstate travel are Federal not State matters, so deviating from Federal Policy may not be helpful to the State .
So I am confused now. If I’m coming from LA to Maui, I still need my vaccination card AND a negative COVID test 72hrs prior?
Hi Stacey,
Because your itinerary is domestic, you will need only your COVID vaccination record.
You must also enter travel details, upload your vaccination card, and fill out the Health Questionnaire on the Safe Travels Hawaii portal prior to your trip.
” That means those passengers will need to have two tests before arriving in Hawaii.”
This is not true!
Beginning on Nov. 8, the State of Hawaiʻi, in alignment with the federal government, will accept vaccines approved or authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and vaccines listed for emergency use by the World Health Organization. A list of currently accepted vaccines is posted on the CDC’s website. (got this email from gohawaii.com)
With respect you have not read the full statement. International visitors who fly directly to Hawaii without a stop can use foreign vaccinations with a Negative Test not from a partner.Those who stop en route (to change planes) are classified as domestic passengers. The State only recognizes US Vaccinations from these pax under Safe Travels Program. They will need to get a negative covid test from a State partner before boarding their connection as their vaccination will be ignored. Lunacy.
Wow I’m totally confused. I’m flying from Florida to Hilo. What is required of me. I’ve had the 3 shots and I have the covid card. Now what. I’m flying g December 3rd. Help. Making flying difficult. It’s not rocket science
Hi Joyce,
As long as you have received an FDA or WHO-approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccine from anywhere in the world, and are fully vaccinated, you will only need to:
-Create a Safe Travels Hawaii account
-Fill in personal, travel details
-upload COVID vaccination record
-Fill out Health Questionnaire (w/in 24 hrs of flight)
All steps are done thru Safe Travels and should be complete prior to your flight.
No need to take a test prior to travel. Have your vaccine card when traveling.
Aloha everybody.
I realise the new rules are throwing everybody a bit…
As I’m hoping to fly from Ireland to LAX, have a stopover one night and then next morning travel to Kaua’i, I understand a test (NAAT) is required a) before leaving home and then b) another test (at LAX itself) before onward to the Islands. (I am double vaxxed and have gotten the booster.)
May I just confirm that with you? (Maybe that might even change before my departure, eh?)
Mahalo, as always.
Hi Michael.
Your understanding is the same as ours. Staying overnight in LA will definitely require that you take another test (Safe Travels approved).
Aloha.
I am not sure whether Michael is a frequent traveler to Hawaii or not, so I think it helpful to advise that he needs to set up a Safe Travels Program account and enter this trip details and submit the Test result QR code prior to boarding. If you have done it before apologies but some folks do not do this step as foreign press do not cover it much.
Hi Rich.
Thanks. Yes he is a Hawaii regular. But it sure doesn’t hurt to remind him.
Aloha.
Hi Michael,
For international travel, you need to take an antigen or NAAT test prior to boarding a US-bound flight and show proof of vaccination.
For travel from LA to Hawaii, you only need your proof of vaccination from anywhere in the world, including Ireland, as long as the vaccine is FDA or WHO-approved/authorized. If your vaccine is not admissable, or you are not fully vaccinated, you will need a COVID test from a Trusted Testing Partner. Otherwise, no test is needed.
Crazy! People actually voted FOR Hawaii’s Governor? Forget Hawaii as a vacation spot anytime soon.
We just got back from 2 weeks on Kauai. While we rarely eat out, if we had been asked to show our vaccination cards to eat at a restaurant while there we would have probably opted to eat somewhere else. We are not fussy so picking up a sandwich or something similar that does not require that card is preferable. Whether or not we are fully vaccinated is not the business of a restaurant and it is a violation of HIPPA to demand it. There is a huge amount of ignoring law going on everywhere.
HIPPA applies only to HIPAA covered entities such as health care providers, health plans, and health care clearinghouses. A restaurant asking for status does not constitute a HIPPA violation.
Thank you for pointing out this civil right that so many seem to have forgotten.
No it’s not a violation of HIPPA. Your choosing not to show yours which is your right. Those who volunteer it negates HIPPA laws. You need to do some research.
It is absolutely not a HIPAA violation: that rule does Not apply to restaurants or private (non-medical) businesses!
People keep spreading this misinformation, about HIPAA. BUT the law is clear, and asking for vax status is NOT HIPAA, nor ADA protected. You can’t hide behind HIPAA. HIPAA simply means that a doctor, a clinic, a hospital, etc. has a DUTY to protect others from knowing about your health (without your permission). For example, if Brennecke’s in Poipu asked for your vax card, and you refused, they can’t call your doctor to verify. As a private business, they can ask, and require, all they want.
Thank you Rob its good to know there are people left with common sense that dont just run with the talking points on Hippa etc
the State of Hawaii residents brought this on themselves by adhering to and believing Iggy and the Mayors 20 months ago..
Y’all did nothing but empower the disgraceful Governor and Mayors.
Reap what you sow
I still don’t understand why the vaccinated are exempt from testing. I know 4 people who tested positive for the virus this week and all are fully vaccinated. I got Covid and recovered in November of last year and have not experienced another infection, despite being exposed 3 times to those who later tested positive. As someone with a science background & 16 years in healthcare, this has become completely political & we are ignoring peer reviewed studies—true science in the process.
It’s clear to me now that the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.
You are only kidding yourself if you don’t think the vaccinated can spread there are many reports out stating the viral load of the vaxxed is the same as the unvaxxed. You believe what you want but if you think you are safe and protected by vaxxed people good luck.
They don’t spread it because they are vaccinated. The vaccine has zero live virus so, unless they have gotten it post vaccine they cannot shed any virus as it’s not live in the vaccine. You talk about science then spew talking points that are not based in science.
New study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.
Hi Liam.
To quote the study directly, “I want to emphasize that this has been misinterpreted on social media as an argument against vaccination. Being vaccinated still protects you from getting the virus quite significantly. And probably also reduces the probability of transmitting to others. All we’re saying is of the people who got infected, many of them still have a lot of virus in their system.”
Aloha.
If vaccinated get Covid they spread just like anyone else..being vaccinated dosnt stop them from running a fever and spreading it…I know vaccinated people that got covid and gave to their friends.
Lol…HI you are officially the definition of a show. How embarassing
Aloha friends! All I know is we’ll be back in Feb/Mar and cannot wait. Need us to vax. Check. Want us to Pre-test. Sure. Be patient while everyone figures out what the “new normal” will look like. Yes. Book our car rental well in advance & keep checking for price drops. Duh. Wear reef safe sunscreen. Yup.
Whatever Hawaii wants to make their state safe, we’re in. We love the islands, and nothing changes that. For us.
🌺
Thank you for the update. Would you please clarify/comment on the following:
-we are flying from mainland on Delta (non-stop) to Honolulu in January.
– We have had both of our vaccinations…is that considered to be “fully vaccinated”?…or do we have to also have the “booster shot” to be considered fully vaccinated?
– We both have recently had Covid (while being fully vaccinated)and cannot receive the booster until after we get back…so we are not clear on the term “fully vaccinated”
Hi Jean.
Fully vaccinated does not mean having had a booster. At least not at this time.
Aloha.
But having Covid, despite being Vaccinated, precludes having to take a “72” or “24” Hour Test reflecting Negative? How does the traveling Public at the Airport or on the same Plane know they are safe, as the Vaccinated can pass the Virus?
International travelers flying direct to Hawaii don’t have to use “Trusted Partners” but US citizens flying from the mainland do? What kind of sense does that make?
Time to get rid of “Safe Travels” altogether.
Mahalo, BOH!
So…leaving from LA November 30, 2021…do I need a 72 hour test? (Yes, full vaccinated…)
Vaccinated and unvaxxed spread it just the same, studies have shown. They are ruining the economy of Hawaii and the tourism industry.
No, not ‘just the same. Transmission from those of us who took the vaccine is possible but rare.
So do we need to get take a test of your are fully vaccinated coming from the mainland?
Hi Noah,
You do not need to take a test if traveling from the mainland, so long as you are considered fully vaccinated with an FDA or WHO-approved vaccine, starting Nov. 8. You will need to show proof of vaccination and upload it to Safe Travels.
Otherwise, a negative test result PDF taken within 72 hours of flight from a Trusted Testing Partner will need to be uploaded prior to departure.
Hi,
Do international travelers that have to stop in the mainland for a few hours connection will be considered as « domestic travelers » or « international travelers » and only show a proof of vaccination and negative pcr test.
Thanks 🙂
Hi Maelle.
We wondered the same thing. Is it a single ticket, not leaving the mainland airport, or what exactly that is the determinant. That is not clear.
Aloha.
Do international travelers that have to stop in the mainland just for a few hours connection will be considered as « domestic travelers » or « international travelers flying directly to Hawaii » ?
Thanks BOH Guys.
Thought I was reading something from the online site “The Onion”. Not planning a return to Maui until 2023 now. Maybe things will sort themselves out by then. I’m basically an optimist.
Malama Aina
Hi Mike.
Thanks. We’ll see you back here soon enough.
Aloha.
I’m not sure about the last paragraph. Actually, the governor said yesterday that international travelers (not flying directly) will be considered as « domestic travelers » and will be allow to avoid quarantine by uploading a proof of their vaccination on « safe travel ». They also said that on Nov 8th «the State of Hawaiʻi, in will accept vaccines approved or authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and vaccines listed for emergency by the World Health Organization »
So Hawaii is welcoming people or saying stay away??
Trying to plan is becoming increasingly difficult.
We flew from Denver to Maui 2 weeks ago, spent 7 days on Maui, flew to Honolulu and spent 3 days there, before returning to Denver. Every aspect of the trip was outstanding. We followed all the rules and requirements for testing, uploading info, carrying our vaccination cards and showing at restaurants, etc. It couldn’t have been better. This website was super helpful and made our trip less stressful. Thanks!
Hi Dave.
Thank you. We’re glad to hear you had a great time on Maui and in Honolulu.
Aloha.
Thank you for this update! My mother-in-law will be visiting from the UK, stopping in California to see family first. She is fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, but got it in the UK, not in the U.S. So frustrating that she will still have to test to enter the state and restaurants! I’m hoping they will amend this requirement if the vaccine is the same as received here.
Hi Angela.
Her UK vaccination will work for restaurants, just not for entry to the state following a stopover.
Aloha.
But didn’t they said that on November 8th, in alignment with the federal government, Hawaii will accept other vaccines approved by the World Health Organization ?
That’s reassuring. Mahalo!
When Mayor Rick implemented his vaccination or negative tesr program in September, he said it would be for 60 days….which is quickly approaching.
Any update on whethere or not if Mayor Rick will follow through on this or will it be similar to Governor Ige’s promise to roll back all restrictions once we hit a 70% vaccination rate?
Can we make it any more complicated Ige?
Again, no accommodation for thse with natural immunity, which has been proven to be more effective than the vaccines.
Exactly; PER CDC, vaccine efficacy wanes after 2-3 months. Natural immunity can last a lifetime. I really don’t think people want or even should have to be injected every 2-3 months with this shot that no one knows the long term effects. So far, the immediate reactions have been terrifying.
Oops, certainly did not mean to upvote this disinformation.
Actually, recent studies are showing that natural immunity post-Covid wanes more rapidly than the vaccine. It would be wise to get the vaccine, especially in light of Delta and future variants. I’m not an epidemiologist – but my wife is!
Do you have studies that show this? The current studies from Israel show natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic infections.
I agree. There should be some allowance for those with natural immunity. I had the first Moderna vaccine but became violently ill off and on for 2 months. My doctor agreed that I should not have the second dose. I have RA and it is feared that another dose could cause the RA to return permanently. Seven months after my vaccine, my husband and I got Covid and recovered in about 10 days. Why is this not considered “immunity”?
Because you have no idea if or how long you will have said ‘immunity’.
Hi Rob L.
In considering governmental decisions we should remind ourselves:
“It is the theory which decides what can be observed”
― Albert Einstein
and
“When the facts do not fit the theory, dispose of the facts”
– Unknown
I read this and tried to understand it.
But I must confess I had to go back and take a second look at the title because as I read it I thought perhaps I had mistakenly opened up my copy of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986. These Hawaiian rules appear about as clear as those.
This disorienting mess of requirements has Hawaii appearing less a State and more akin medieval Europe – a collection of fiefdoms each with their own Canon regarding visitation.
What’s next for us? Drawbridges?
Please don’t give Ige any ideas.
Wow! So dramatic. I understood it no problem.
Hi Rachel.
My admiration. You are certainly better at this than I.
I got lost in the Tuesday Dining Access (Noon) calculations right after trying to determine the third integral of the second derivative of the root mean square of the number of diners in the restaurant we were trying to get seated in.
Hyperbole aside, I just don’t grasp why Hawaii makes things complex when simplicity is a much better solution. It would be easier on everyone involved.
Aloha and Mahalo for your prompt and accurate reporting. It’s important.
The reason why we haven’t implemented this on Kaua’i is because there is too much push back on mandates due to their illegal nature. A lot of business’ will go down and they know it.
Things are about to get a lot more interesting!
Good luck to all going, you’ll need it.
Governor Ige of the “January 2019, Waikiki Nuclear Attack Warning”, seems to be trying to out-do himself, sounds like rest, not trvel is what he needs, by-passing his Lt. Governor, extremely bad form! So American Citizens originating from the Mainland, now, no longer need the ’72-Hour Lab Test,’ but can now get a ’24 Hour Quick-Test’, or so it sounds. That’s the way this sounds, of course, it’s probably only operative for this week!
I’d like to see the mandatory post travel requirement canceled for Oahu City workers. Currently, after a vacation/personal mainland trip, City workers must self-quarantine an additional 4-days before taking a COVID test, even those that are vaccinated. This causes the employee to utilize an additional 4+ days of vac or CT while waiting to get approved from City doctor to take the COVID test at the designated City location (airport). Only City doctor can issue a return to work release after test
Proclamation that is supposed to be used for emergencies. We have no emergencies, never did. This is abusive power to coerce business and people. How long are we going to take it? Baffle us with bull stuff so we don’t know what’s really going on. Disgraceful, criminal and absolutely destructive. Shame on this man in a leadership role to abuse it at the mercy of so many livelihoods and psychological well-beings.
Could they make this any more confusing? We’ll be on the BI for Thanksgiving, and made the decision long ago to do most of our own cooking in our condo. I’m glad we did that, as it appears restaurants will still be operating at 50% when we are there. We were able to get several reservations, but the 50% requirement makes it difficult.
Thank you BOH for keeping us up to date.
Hi Lee.
Thanks. We’ll see – our guess is that it won’t be at 50% by then, one way or the other.
Aloha.
I don’t see what is so “confusing” about this. If your county implemented vax card, establishments can go to full capacity. If not, they cannot. Tourists need to check the island before going. Why complain about this? Isn’t this the positive move so many have been crying for? (Not me, I don’t think we are ready for 100% yet, but not my call.)