One visitor asked us if this was reality TV or what. Sadly it’s the truth here in Hawaii.
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One visitor asked us if this was reality TV or what. Sadly it’s the truth here in Hawaii.
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The problem with relying on testing is all the false positives. They are not 100% accurate and with data proving that many tests with NO samples come back positive. I don’t want to be locked up to quarantine to find out my test was actually false.
Worse yet, how about all the false negatives. If you really stop and think about it, if a test comes up positive, how can you be sure the test is even capable of detecting the virus in the first place?
I think this whole thing is ridiculous. My county in California,Placer, had the board of supervisors just vote to drop the emergency declaration, and in the town of El Cajon, I think the city there did the same thing.
Mahalo
Bill
Hawaii should bite the bullett an invest in the latest(24hour covid test at the airports.if a person fails they have to return or quarantine in a designated hotel.
Hit nail on the head !
Why have you deleted my comment recommending Hawaii to look at Sweden which had no lock down? It did not have any profanity or links. Thanks.
Hi Erdogan.
It was not deleted. We moderate all comments as we have the time. It is now live.
Aloha.
You might want to RE look at Sweden.
Governor Ige’s lack of direction is something that we have all come to expect. He is certainly not an honorable man or a man that has empathy for his constituents. His lack of direction is totally unconscionable! I’m a frequent visitor to Hawaii. I’m very disappointed that my family and I haven’t been allowed to visit. However, the bigger picture is the state of annihilation that Ige has inflicted upon Hawaii’s economy and its people.
Hawaii’s people are suffering greatly due to the inaction of the elected local government. I’ve read extensively about increased suicide, domestic violence and drug overdose due to the continual quarantine that Ige has imposed. One must also wonder about the long term health affects that this lock down of the economy will cultivate. Being locked down for over 5 months with no end in sight must certainly take a toll on the physical/mental health of almost all Hawaii’s residents.
Those of us that live on the mainland can only imagine being trapped on a island with little or no income, wondering how we are going to pay our mounting debts, wondering if we are going to lose our home or be evicted from a rental. How to pay utility bills and if they will be disconnected for non-payment when the lock down is lifted. Will our job/business will be there for us when we are allowed to resume life again. SO much worry with no end in sight!
Even though Ige has term limited out and can’t run again, I hope that Hawaii’s residents have realized how important it is to vote and to vote responsible, intelligent people into office. It’s kind of like choosing health insurance; until you use it you don’t realize that the “cheap” policy you were so happy with doesn’t cover your needs or protect you until it’s too late.
I hope the Hawaii soon opens to tourism. It’s high time the people of Hawaii are allowed to live life again!
Aloha & Mahalo
TJ
Hi TJ.
Thanks for your more than three dozen comments.
Aloha.
Hawaiians should look at Sweden,
Today Sweden has one of the fewest per 100000 infection rates in Europe. Sweden did not lock down. It just banned gatherings of more than 50 people and asked people older than 70 AND in risk groups to self isolate. Otherwise the population was asked to respect social distancing and work from home if possible, which most did. While initially they had higher death rates than their neighbors ( Denmark, Norway, Finland)it was still below that of the countries that imposed lock downs: France, Italy , England etc. Today it has a much lower infection and death rate than its neighbors. death rate is zero over a 7 day average and only 19 COVID patients are in hospitals for a nation of 10 million. They also did not have a second surge like US and most European countries that had lock downs. Their experience has shown that lock downs do not work and are not economically or psychologically sustainable.
Lock downs appear to simply kick the bucket to a later time as evidenced by the COVID 19 rates in all countries that imposed lockdowns. There are differences with Hawaii of course: Sweden has gutsy and knowledgeable politicians who trusted their health care policy makers as well as having one of the lowest obesity and diabetes rates in the western world. Unfortunately Hawaii in particular and USA in general is severely lacking all three.
absolutely dripping with irony. The guy who says open up Gets covid19………….. And yall still are demanding they open.
it’s just too obvious for people to understand
What is up with Governor Ige??? Does he want Hawaii to fail??? Why are the people of Hawaii putting up with this?? Sometimes too much protection ultimately hurts than cures. Bite the bullet Ige and get off the pot!!!!
Thank you BOH for the info!!! You rock!
Aloha
Hi Pam.
Thanks for your 20 comments!
Aloha.
In reading all these threads, what I find interesting is that most people seem to be focusing on exactly what MSM want you to focus on, which is the “number of cases”, rather than the actual death rate per capita. You can’t just shut down an economic system and expect people to just “suck it up”, as you ruin their lives. Eventually you will get backlash, and the bubble is going to burst…it’s not going to be pretty when it does.
Mahalo, BoH, for keeping us updated! Question…Have you heard anything, or do you expect to hear anything soon on lifting the inter-island quarantine?
Hi Jim.
Thanks for your comments (over 100). We’ll update shortly on the interisland quarantine situation.
Aloha.
Thanks Guys…looking forward to it. 🤙
as opposed to suck it up and die? I have had three personal friends die from this virus. No underlying health conditions or issues and in their mid 30s. I have shirt tale friends who have gotten it and recovered but now they have life long issues with diminished lung capacity etc.
So for you to say “You can’t just shut down an economic system and expect people to just “suck it up”, as you ruin their lives” is just ignorant and frankly not a very smart comment. Without the shut downs we would be looking at millions of lives lost.
Paul, I have heard your story multiple times, and frankly I don’t believe you. You clearly like to embellish your stories just like claiming, “Without the shutdown we would be looking at millions of lives lost”, when truthfully, you have zero facts to back it up.
You’re right Jim, it’s not JUST the number of deaths, it’s the hospitalization rate that is also very important to watch. There was a lot of discussion of this back at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have sort of forgot about it. Also, keep in mind that the death rate is a lagging indicator. If you want to look forward, you have to look at the infection rate, as well as the hospitalization rate. Looking at just one thing, no matter which one is going to give you an inaccurate picture of what happening, and what WILL happen going forward. Which brings me to my last point, and that is that a lot of the reporting that has focused on deaths, infections, etc. as just a snapshot in time. What is more important are the protections. Our ability to plan and make decisions about things like opening up is a function of the projections. Keep in mind that projections are just that, projections, but they are our best tool to put together reasonable plans. So all of this politicization of the numbers, lockdowns, opening up, mask-wearing, etc. is SO counterproductive it’s not even funny. As a matter of fact, it’s exactly why we have had so much trouble opening up, and are just generally so far behind the rest of the world in terms of managing this pandemic.
Thanks Joerg, I’ve posted many comments on this forum regarding this topic over the last 7 months, and researched for nearly 200 hours (from day one). You are not really educating me on these issues, and most of what you stated has nothing to do with my point. Maybe go and do more research on the latest CDC data regarding actual deaths caused by Covid, and not just people who have died with the virus in their system.
If indeed you have spent 200 hours, please let me know whether you know the hospitalization rate in the U.S. Please let me know the numbers intubated and/or requiring emergency procedures. You won’t be able to because, understandably, hospitalization/status reporting data comes when the hospitals are not under so much pressure to treat rather than report.
Jeorg was correct in pointing out the cascade of metrics that must be considered when opining about the data, hospitalization numbers/procedures being perhaps the best indicator of longer term consequences and economic impacts of the medical costs associated.
BTW, one can have a heart attack and a broken neck in an auto accident. Dying with COVID as a contributor is analogous. You pick if you would like, but w/o a COVID diagnosis it is certainly possible that the patient would have lived. Don’t be so eager to claim righteousness when you are only looking at one third of the pie.
The official death count from COVID as tallied by the CDC is about 183K as of today. They update this on a regular basis .
Anything else is a conspiracy theory I’m not interested in discussing.
Why can’t our state adopt Vermont’s approach? They have the lowest cases per capita with no one dying from COVID since early August. An essential difference was their implementation of a state-wide mask mandate. If we stop making each other the enemy and recognize the virus as the enemy, we would implement such a mask mandate state-wide similar to what Kauai has already done very successfully.