Bizarre Weather, Warnings And More Preceded Mass Injury Hawaii Flight

Bad timing + Weather Warnings: Hawaiian Airlines’ Incident Missed Details

The initial NTSB report on Hawaiian Airlines Flight 35 is out, which will go down in the annals of extreme turbulence in-flight events. It resulted in at least two dozen injuries, of which six were serious. Two of those injured were crew members.

There’s also an implied safety message about keeping seatbelts buckled, especially when requested. Furthermore, the timing of the incident during the flight probably could not have been worse as you’ll see below.

The incident happened on December 18, as the Airbus A330-200 widebody was approaching Honolulu. Perhaps ten minutes before it was to begin its descent, the pilot reported a vertical cloud shot up directly in front of the airliner.

Until that moment, the plane was flying uneventfully in clear weather and experiencing no turbulence, with none indicated on the aircraft’s weather radar.

According to NTSB, the cloud that resulted in the extreme turbulence, which caused a sudden drop in altitude and slightly damaged the plane, appeared without adequate time to change course. The pilot advised the purser, but only a few seconds before the event occurred, throwing some passengers out of their seats and into overhead fixtures.

Extreme weather and thunderstorm warnings at the time.

On the day this happened, we recall well that the Hawaiian Islands were in the midst of an exceptionally strong wind and rainstorm that was, even for Hawaii, highly unusual. Enormous brief wind gusts were occurring, at least on the ground. Not only that, NTSB reports that there was a National Weather Service warning for thunderstorms in the area at the time of the incident. There were, however, no reports of turbulence reported by other flights along that route.

NTSB’s weather analysis following the incident concluded that “There was an occluded frontal system with an associated upper-level trough moving towards the Hawaiian Islands. Satellite and weather radar imagery and lightning data depicted strong cells in the vicinity of the flight.

The U.S National Weather Service (NWS) had issued a current Significant Meteorological (SIGMET) warning for embedded thunderstorms with tops reaching FL380 over the region, according to NTSB. That was the altitude at which the aircraft was flying when the problem occurred.

What happened that morning at 38,000 feet?

According to both NTSB and Flightaware, the aircraft was still at its filed cruise altitude of about 38,000 feet, with the first officer in command of the flight at the time of the incident. The captain reported to NTSB that there was no indication of any issues until between 1-3 seconds before the event.

Passengers have reported a significant drop in altitude, along with the turbulence. While that makes sense, given other details of the injuries and damage, that was not included in the preliminary NTSB data, which is found in its entirety below.

The seatbelt sign.

The NTSB did not specify whether or not the seatbelt sign was illuminated at the time, although passenger and other reports indicated it was. It appears, however, that most of the injuries were related to those passengers who were non-compliant by either not wearing seatbelts or not being in their seats at the time.

Very bad timing.

When the incident occurred would have been just the time that passengers needed to re-stow cabin baggage and, if necessary, use the restroom one last time after the long flight and prior to the descent. In our experience, passengers are far more prone to move around at that time, with or without the seatbelt sign on.

Moreover, are we desensitized to the seatbelt sign at times, such as when the aircraft isn’t experiencing active turbulence or when time is pressing for the restroom or to prepare for landing?

We sense that this incident will serve as a reminder for Hawaii travelers and beyond about the seriousness and unpredictability of severe turbulence.

Please let us know your thoughts.

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15 thoughts on “Bad timing + Weather Warnings: Hawaiian Airlines’ Incident Missed Details”

  1. Hi:

    I’ve been meteorologist forecaster for 38 years. What follows below is my opinion.

    Elevated ocean surface temperatures over a broad area do provide energy for deep convection (updrafts) and the development of tall cumulus clouds. Tropical oceans tend to have more tall convective cumulus clouds than cooler oceans to the north or south because of that extra heat.

    But unless a seamount eruption actually broke the ocean surface and spewed a plume of heat and moisture directly into the atmosphere (say, like the Tonga eruption last year), I don’t think volcanic activity heat would be concentrated sufficiently to create a dangerous storm cloud. Most of such heat would be dissipated in the ocean before it ever reached the surface.

  2. Hi, thank you for posting this – I’ve been curious – the (reported) rapidity of the cloud plume’s formation seems highly anomalous, even in a severe thunderstorm. I did a (very) little research and discovered that 3-4 hours earlier there had been a 3.2 magnitude earthquake centered in the region of the Loihi seamount, a hydrothermal vent about 22 miles off the southeast coast of Hawaii. Local surface winds were forecast to be from the southwest and west that morning as the storms gathered. I’m wondering if a geothermal/hydrothermal plume could have heated the surrounding water enough to cause a moving microclimate event, with rapidly warming ocean temperatures driving a current of updrafts migrating north and east. Just a thought. Thanks.


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