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Please add your input on this important issue of Kauai’s north shore at Haena State Park.
Greenberg says, “The problem we have on a global scale is entitlement.”
He is the disgusting entitled hypocrite. The system is rigged for him and the wealthy entitled residents.
A fair system would apply equally to residents and tourists.
As I read this article I began believing that This Approach has many Advantages, however, One Huge Disadvantage/Opportunity. Limiting the amount of Visitor’s per day keeps the Overcrowding absent, keeps Vehicle traffic limited and hopefully the Beach and Surrounding Area Cleaner and Less Trodden Down. With the Advanced Reservation System planning ahead takes on New Meaning. You’re unlikely to get on the Beach. The problem that I see is Scalping Reservations, where there’s money to be made it Will Happen, believing otherwise is ludicrous. Advanced Reservation should account for 50 to 75 percent, possibly more, and the balance done another way to thwart most scalping. Had no idea about Diamondhead. Thanks BOH for the Article.
Hi Ernie.
Thanks. Subtribe else suggested staggered availability at 30 days then at 7 days. Hopefully this will adapt.
Aloha.
Ernie – At least for Ke’e reservations, you need gubmit ID to match your name to the reservation. Think of it like an airline ticket. You score a cheap price, but you cannot transfer your ticket to anyone else (unless they have an identical name and birthday as you).
Greenberg said, “People think they’re entitled to visit a place and do whatever they want.”
He is absolutely right. I am entitled to visit a place by virtue of being a US citizen and taxpayer. I paid for the creation and maintenance of that “place”. It seems leadership has forgotten that fact. Maybe it is going to take a lawsuit to change some of these rules.
I shudder to think what would happen if Las Vegas started charging Hawaii residents to visit and forced them to pay extra to park. I can hear the cries of “racism” already.
Las Vegas charges everyone to park.
how is it any different than what Yosemite does? Or Mt. Whitney? Or any of the other 100’s of places that require reservations in advance.
I feel great about this, I avoided north shore for years just because of too much traffic.
There is still a sh#t-ton of traffic at least through Hanalei. The overcrowding just moved a few miles back up the road to Lumahai. The demand to spontaneously go to some cool-looking beach beach has not gone away; Kauai just removed one of the options, so the rest get more crowded.
Pretty sure we’re going to see similar restrictions for Black Pot (Hanalei) in the near future. There is no adequate parking for the demand, and so the neighborhood is full of parked rental cars and jeeps, and even the Ching Young shopping center parking lot starts filling up with beach goers early am.
Aloha,
We went to Kauai at the end of May this year. We didn’t realize that we would need a permit for Kee Beach. We went and found a beach near the YMCA before Kee beach. It was beautiful and hardly anyone there. We are going back in February, we will try to get a shuttle permit for that trip. I would like to hike the two mile trail. We have in the past taken the NaPali coast boat trip. It was amazing! I highly recommend it! As for me cleaning up the beach during my vacation, we always clean up after ourselves, we are respectful of all beaches and national parks when we travel.
That beach you “found” is just down the street from us. It is a nice spot, but there are no restrooms no lifeguard, and no beach parking per se, just on a residential street. This is one of the big complaints that the neighborhood has to begin with. In fact, despite the dust, serious pot holes and mud, the road is not paved for the very reason that the residents believe it will lead to more tourist drive throughs and parking.
Lumahai local is also seriously impacted by the Ke’e closure. A fairly dangerous beach (is nicknamed lumaDie for a reason), no lifeguards or restrooms.
Maybe leave out the street name😉
Good point – thanks. I was thinking anyone with google maps can locate the Y Camp, and so the street would be labeled. But, yes, dumb mistake by me.
Dear Blog Guys – is there a way to edit our own comments? If not, can you please remove the street name in mine?
Mahalo
Hi David.
Done. On the subject of editing comments – we are contemplating doing that. It would require a log-in system for all commenters. Open to input on that but it would also reduce many spam and anonymous comments.
Aloha.
Thanks island neighbor!
Our time in Feb was frustrating. We stayed within biking distance to Haena State park and rented bikes locally. Despite planning, no permits left for walk-in. No permit exists for bike-in. The only option was to get in our car, drive 2 miles AWAY from the park to take the shuttle 3-4 miles to the park. Then repeat at the end. Not pono.
It wasted resources, put a car on the road that didn’t need to be, added expense unnecessarily. Since ’96 from the east coast, I would always run to Ke’e for sunrise, then leave after 15 minutes. Now you need a permit for that.
Cyclists should be welcomed and encouraged. They keep cars off the road, help to manage the speed of the cars on the road & support a local business when you rent them.
I hear you. Here’s the deal: they do not sell anywhere near enough walk-in passes (I believe you can bike in with a walk-in permit). And people get on-line and reserve several days in a row since only $5 per day and they don’t know which days they may go to the park. No one bothers to cancel the unused days, since no refunds (and was only $5 anyway). They need to greatly increase the walk-in passes. This does not create any parking problems, since if you park on the highway anywhere within nearly two miles of the park entrance is a $200 ticket.
Last year our visit to Haena was great. No more potholes that could swallow a car in the parking lot. And the community group members who greeted us were amazing and gracious. So I thought it worked well and was a great improvement.
Thank you again for all the good and helpful articles.
We look forward to our return to Kauai in 6 weeks!
Hi Cal.
Thanks. Glad to hear that the new system worked for you.
Aloha.
Before the pandemic, we and friends stopped going to Haena because of the fun reducing crowds and cars. Before the big flood, we were up there and turned around after seeing the situation.
We were just up there in May and thought the new system makes a lot of sense for visitors and locals. Your piece notes Diamond Head using reservations where friends really had to work to get in parking somewhere else walking in and joining the procession up the slopes.
We spent several hours on a special tour with Limahulu Director Lei Wann. Learning the work to restore and preserve so people can continue to enjoy was enlightening. I think you guys could do a Great piece on her, the family, and region. Thank you
Hi Tom.
Suggestion noted. Thank you.
Aloha.
I’ve been coming to Kauai for 13 years. I’m a “part-time resident homeowner.” My family’s best experiences on Kauai were during the great recession when hardly anyone could afford to travel. Like so many others, I’ve been saddened to experience growing pressure from tourism. Many tourists are polite and respectful, but some are not. Regardless, the numbers alone are too great. Take a drive through Hanalei and dodge visitors walking three across on the shoulderless highway. Then, try to find a parking place. If you do, stand in line for a half hour at a low-quality eatery that does not take reservations. Forget reservations, by the way, unless you make them a month before arriving on The Island. Now, try to find a parking place at the beach.
Don’t go to Hawaii when they stop getting money from us then they realize they can’t have their cake and eat it too because that’s what they’re doing shame on them they have ruined why I’m going other places from now on