Just another example of how our politicians are more concerned about local votes than what makes sense financially for the County and State. Has anyone calculated how many dollars in visitor taxes are raised by the 500,000 + people who visit Kaanapali beach? Tourists from all over the Island visit that beach. Not just those staying there. How many $$$$ are spent in restaurants and shops there! I remember when American Factors built that resort center and golf courses.
We are making a big mistake in not maintaining the properties there.
So let’s look at the optics! 500000 visitors times about 300 dollars per day (car room food tours) = hundreds of millions of dollars!!!! What is the problem! Where are all of the tax’s going for this amount of money! Wake up and fix your cash cow before it’s to late! Now
It seems contradictory to say at one point that restoring the sand will prevent erosion issues for 15 years, and then say that they have done studies of other restoration projects that indicate that it won’t help at all. Which one is it?
The “truth” seems to change depending on which way the wind is blowing at the moment.
I do not understand the philosophy behind ‘managed retreat’ when it comes to non-movable buildings with construction costs of hundreds of millions of dollars that are the primary driver of the economy.
Sea level rise will eventually flood the buildings, but this could forestall that. In much the same way that weather will destroy any building, you need to maintain it. Painting a house will not last forever, but we still do it. Beach nourishment can periodically be done to keep the buildings and the economy running. Use the money generated to pay for moving buildings/homes/roads/infrastructure that can be moved. The sand has been moving for eons, artificially doing it isn’t that different.
Has Anyone seen, up close, the erosive North Shore of Oahu? Perhaps other coastal areas that have, or are beginning to, lose the battle caused by the natural effects of tidal erosion on any Island of Hawaii? It’s Devastating! In certain instances beaches can be resanded to give time to rebuild, others are too far gone. Whether Commercial or Residential, the owners need time to prepare when possible. DNLR is Responsible to mitigate, they’ve allowed many structures to be built in known harms way. Stop playing games, devise planning and implement to reduce problems. Waikiki is resanded often!
It is actually quite simple. You can either put it up on jacks, a whole lot of jacks because some of the buildings are 10+ story masonry structures, and then drive the thing they move rockets with under it and drive it back a few hundred feet. Or you can dismantle it and put it back together elsewhere. Easy peasy.
I have a question…how many of the properties that are being directly affected have timeshare on their property, and how will the people who own those timeshare be affected? And, what kind of “planned retreat” could these resorts possible come up with other than shut down and tear down? It’s not like they are tents that can be folded up and easily moved. To me, this sounds like another attempt to keep visitors away from the islands. You also mention the Kaanapali Resort was built “before beach erosion”. So, I guess there were no high tides or storms that affected the beaches prior to the resort being built? Interesting.
The DLNR is stalling to the detriment of everyone, the Agreement should stand and the sand reclamation to the beach begin. Listening to the complaining public input which is mostly from the Vocal Minority will simply Forward Their Agendas to the detriment of everyone else. The Hotel/Resort Industry will benefit just as much as the public, the downside is that they know eventually they’ll need to move further back due to the erosion. A “plan of action” with impact studies should begin Now and have a filing timeline. It’s imminent, but exactly when must building commence, 2056? DNLR needs to Comply with the Agreement, 50% is better than 100%.
I live in an Beach community that requires beach renourishment to maintain business that drives our economy. Will “they” who cancelled this project be happy to promote failing tourism? It seems there is an effort to “cancel tourism”.
Yes, you’ve got it. All of these actions (exorbitant fees, extremely high taxes on accommodations, proposed “visitor tax”, new parking fees, and actually out-and-out asking visitors not to come) are all efforts to reduce, or even eliminate, tourism. It is stated in each individual Island Plan that this is a goal. It’s not even open to interpretation. It’s what the Hawaiians want, and I suppose we will have to see if the resulting reduction of the major source of revenue on the islands will turn out as desired.
From all appearances, it isn’t working yet! There are more visitors than ever. So I predict they will keep raising, limiting, denying, badmouthing, etc. until it finally has an effect.
Hi PatG! Even though they have outlined a plan to reduce/eliminate tourism as an ultimate goal, it is a short-term solution for the Politicians to retain their offices. They have to produce on their promises to the voters, once done it will be reversed. The New Construction isn’t for Affordable Housing and they have no plans of allowing it to be empty. It’s Amazing that not many Hawaiians realize this. I see a Giant “Bell Curve” within 4 Years to Hawaiian Discourse!
Wow!
Just another example of how our politicians are more concerned about local votes than what makes sense financially for the County and State. Has anyone calculated how many dollars in visitor taxes are raised by the 500,000 + people who visit Kaanapali beach? Tourists from all over the Island visit that beach. Not just those staying there. How many $$$$ are spent in restaurants and shops there! I remember when American Factors built that resort center and golf courses.
We are making a big mistake in not maintaining the properties there.
Aloha
So let’s look at the optics! 500000 visitors times about 300 dollars per day (car room food tours) = hundreds of millions of dollars!!!! What is the problem! Where are all of the tax’s going for this amount of money! Wake up and fix your cash cow before it’s to late! Now
It seems contradictory to say at one point that restoring the sand will prevent erosion issues for 15 years, and then say that they have done studies of other restoration projects that indicate that it won’t help at all. Which one is it?
The “truth” seems to change depending on which way the wind is blowing at the moment.
Mahalo for following these developments.
I do not understand the philosophy behind ‘managed retreat’ when it comes to non-movable buildings with construction costs of hundreds of millions of dollars that are the primary driver of the economy.
Sea level rise will eventually flood the buildings, but this could forestall that. In much the same way that weather will destroy any building, you need to maintain it. Painting a house will not last forever, but we still do it. Beach nourishment can periodically be done to keep the buildings and the economy running. Use the money generated to pay for moving buildings/homes/roads/infrastructure that can be moved. The sand has been moving for eons, artificially doing it isn’t that different.
Has Anyone seen, up close, the erosive North Shore of Oahu? Perhaps other coastal areas that have, or are beginning to, lose the battle caused by the natural effects of tidal erosion on any Island of Hawaii? It’s Devastating! In certain instances beaches can be resanded to give time to rebuild, others are too far gone. Whether Commercial or Residential, the owners need time to prepare when possible. DNLR is Responsible to mitigate, they’ve allowed many structures to be built in known harms way. Stop playing games, devise planning and implement to reduce problems. Waikiki is resanded often!
How do these properties “retreat” from the eroding shoreline? Is there any info on that?
It is actually quite simple. You can either put it up on jacks, a whole lot of jacks because some of the buildings are 10+ story masonry structures, and then drive the thing they move rockets with under it and drive it back a few hundred feet. Or you can dismantle it and put it back together elsewhere. Easy peasy.
I have a question…how many of the properties that are being directly affected have timeshare on their property, and how will the people who own those timeshare be affected? And, what kind of “planned retreat” could these resorts possible come up with other than shut down and tear down? It’s not like they are tents that can be folded up and easily moved. To me, this sounds like another attempt to keep visitors away from the islands. You also mention the Kaanapali Resort was built “before beach erosion”. So, I guess there were no high tides or storms that affected the beaches prior to the resort being built? Interesting.
The DLNR is stalling to the detriment of everyone, the Agreement should stand and the sand reclamation to the beach begin. Listening to the complaining public input which is mostly from the Vocal Minority will simply Forward Their Agendas to the detriment of everyone else. The Hotel/Resort Industry will benefit just as much as the public, the downside is that they know eventually they’ll need to move further back due to the erosion. A “plan of action” with impact studies should begin Now and have a filing timeline. It’s imminent, but exactly when must building commence, 2056? DNLR needs to Comply with the Agreement, 50% is better than 100%.
I live in an Beach community that requires beach renourishment to maintain business that drives our economy. Will “they” who cancelled this project be happy to promote failing tourism? It seems there is an effort to “cancel tourism”.
Yes, you’ve got it. All of these actions (exorbitant fees, extremely high taxes on accommodations, proposed “visitor tax”, new parking fees, and actually out-and-out asking visitors not to come) are all efforts to reduce, or even eliminate, tourism. It is stated in each individual Island Plan that this is a goal. It’s not even open to interpretation. It’s what the Hawaiians want, and I suppose we will have to see if the resulting reduction of the major source of revenue on the islands will turn out as desired.
From all appearances, it isn’t working yet! There are more visitors than ever. So I predict they will keep raising, limiting, denying, badmouthing, etc. until it finally has an effect.
Hi PatG! Even though they have outlined a plan to reduce/eliminate tourism as an ultimate goal, it is a short-term solution for the Politicians to retain their offices. They have to produce on their promises to the voters, once done it will be reversed. The New Construction isn’t for Affordable Housing and they have no plans of allowing it to be empty. It’s Amazing that not many Hawaiians realize this. I see a Giant “Bell Curve” within 4 Years to Hawaiian Discourse!