How scary. I haven’t flown since 1997 because of 3 bad flights like that. I have been thinking of finally getting on a plane to visit Hawaii next year but have changed my mind after seeing this on TV and reading about it. With more people on Rx drugs like Oxy how do we know the pilots aren’t under the influence is another thought.
Hi. – Thanks for all your great information! Flew on United from LAX – HNL for the first time after many Hawaiian Air trips. Had a good experience & their food for purchase was far superior to Hawaiian’s free “food”. Their snack boxes for $10 were very good and didn’t mind paying for quality. Hawaiian really needs to step up & offer more quality products to start & finish a vacation on a happy note. Stayed at the Royal Hawaiian which was great! Thanks again- Andy
Beginning several months ago there has been problems of this, and other, kinds that previously were almost unheard of, Rare. All too often there’s a “rush” to judgment in blaming the Pilots, what if this is not the case at all but subterfuge? From the beginning I have been of the Belief that “Hacking” is responsible, that was partially proven true with the discovery of “Corrupted” files and the arrest of 2 airport workers, what if this wasn’t the end of the problem? Only time, near calamities, and thorough investigating can unravel this. Unsurprisingly the 3 major airports involved, so far, are involved with East Coast to Hawaii travel, when will others fall prey? Wait and See isn’t appropriate in this debacle, is it Terror Related?
Again pilot here in recent months after covid there’s been quite a spike of private and commercial air traffic.
Speaking to flight instructors they’re seeing an increased interest by citizens becoming private pilots. I’ve also noticed the increase in air traffic.
I’m finding that air traffic controllers are feeling stressed by increase air traffic you can hear it in their voices. So I’m not surprised by the increase of air incidents and surprised that we aren’t seeing more of them.
Also it would be interesting to know how many senior air traffic controllers retired during the pandemic.
I think this will likely come out as either ATC told United to hold short and they didn’t (United made a mistake)or ATC failed to do so an the mistake would be on them. Don’t think there is anything other then this is a simple human mistake and perhaps it would be a little premature to read into anything else.
Hmmm United seems to have a number of near misses…what about the December UAL flight from Maui and the plane dropped several thousand feet to 800 foot level?
Seems to me that we’re far enough along the radar, visual and radio journey to be able to avoid this kind of thing. If someone (think the government) is thinking they can successfully accommodate more traffic with fewer air traffic controllers, well, I’ll just point to a dozen or so government failures over just the past 2 weeks to say I have no faith in them.
Not really anything to do with radar. Either the Tower gave clearance to cross the Live Runway or they did not. If they did, then we have to ask what caused that, if they did not we have to ask why the UAL flight entered a live runway without clearance. Then we have to see if the landing aircraft had been final clearance to land on that runway or not. I am wondering if it is related to confusion over runway closures and changes.
I think it should be called “near
How about near collision instead of near miss!!!
How scary. I haven’t flown since 1997 because of 3 bad flights like that. I have been thinking of finally getting on a plane to visit Hawaii next year but have changed my mind after seeing this on TV and reading about it. With more people on Rx drugs like Oxy how do we know the pilots aren’t under the influence is another thought.
All flight crew members are randomly drug and alcohol tested.
Hi. – Thanks for all your great information! Flew on United from LAX – HNL for the first time after many Hawaiian Air trips. Had a good experience & their food for purchase was far superior to Hawaiian’s free “food”. Their snack boxes for $10 were very good and didn’t mind paying for quality. Hawaiian really needs to step up & offer more quality products to start & finish a vacation on a happy note. Stayed at the Royal Hawaiian which was great! Thanks again- Andy
Hi Andy.
Thanks so much for your feedback and your many other comments. We’re glad to hear the things went well.
Aloha.
Beginning several months ago there has been problems of this, and other, kinds that previously were almost unheard of, Rare. All too often there’s a “rush” to judgment in blaming the Pilots, what if this is not the case at all but subterfuge? From the beginning I have been of the Belief that “Hacking” is responsible, that was partially proven true with the discovery of “Corrupted” files and the arrest of 2 airport workers, what if this wasn’t the end of the problem? Only time, near calamities, and thorough investigating can unravel this. Unsurprisingly the 3 major airports involved, so far, are involved with East Coast to Hawaii travel, when will others fall prey? Wait and See isn’t appropriate in this debacle, is it Terror Related?
Again pilot here in recent months after covid there’s been quite a spike of private and commercial air traffic.
Speaking to flight instructors they’re seeing an increased interest by citizens becoming private pilots. I’ve also noticed the increase in air traffic.
I’m finding that air traffic controllers are feeling stressed by increase air traffic you can hear it in their voices. So I’m not surprised by the increase of air incidents and surprised that we aren’t seeing more of them.
Also it would be interesting to know how many senior air traffic controllers retired during the pandemic.
I think this will likely come out as either ATC told United to hold short and they didn’t (United made a mistake)or ATC failed to do so an the mistake would be on them. Don’t think there is anything other then this is a simple human mistake and perhaps it would be a little premature to read into anything else.
Hmmm United seems to have a number of near misses…what about the December UAL flight from Maui and the plane dropped several thousand feet to 800 foot level?
Seems to me that we’re far enough along the radar, visual and radio journey to be able to avoid this kind of thing. If someone (think the government) is thinking they can successfully accommodate more traffic with fewer air traffic controllers, well, I’ll just point to a dozen or so government failures over just the past 2 weeks to say I have no faith in them.
Not really anything to do with radar. Either the Tower gave clearance to cross the Live Runway or they did not. If they did, then we have to ask what caused that, if they did not we have to ask why the UAL flight entered a live runway without clearance. Then we have to see if the landing aircraft had been final clearance to land on that runway or not. I am wondering if it is related to confusion over runway closures and changes.