18 thoughts on “Turbulence Controversy Explodes Post Hawaiian Air Mass Injury Event”
Richard C
I’ve held a pilots license for 44 plus years, OMG that’s like a long time, turbulence is no different today then when I got my license in 1979.
What I found in the article is anytime someone can connect climate change to an event, like the Hawaiian turbulence event” means they’ve figured out away to secure a government grant to study it.
I experienced clear air turbulence on a Singapore Airlines flight many years ago. It was just after meal service (they offered a meal, so you know it was a long time ago), and plates and cutlery went flying. Fortunately no one was injured, but it was scary even though it didn’t last long. I always stay buckled up in flight, as does my pilot husband.
Aloha Guys! Mahalo once again for another informative article. Yes, I have experienced bad turbulence a couple of times. Once was on a flight from Burbank to Oakland on Southwest (this was back in the day when SW was still handing out peanuts.) Anyway, the flight was getting bumpy, and the pilot announced “We are experiencing some heavy turbulence, so the plane will be tossing you your peanuts instead of the crew. And we sincerely hope that it doesn’t cause you to toss your peanuts during this time.” I really appreciated him using humor to diffuse the tension.
This should not be a big problem as far as protecting yourself from injury. Perhaps it’s because we fly so often, but I am very consistent about keeping my seat belt fastened loosely at all times. It is not uncomfortable and could save you a very uncomfortable injury. No I only have to worry about flying beverage carts. Lol.
Hi BOH . Mahalo for another thoughtful article.
My family returned to PDX from Vegas on a red eye one time with such strong turbulence that the cabin crew quickly returned to their seats and buckled in where they then remained the entire flight. I kept saying to myself “The plane was built for this and the flight crew knows what they’re doing. We are safe”. It helped a lot to have a little mantra. My kids slept through the entire thing! Also Vegas to PDX= short flight!
Aloha!
I saw the court filing that you are referencing. What is the point that you are trying make by bringing up this case? You understand that Hawaiian Airlines is not the only has ever encountered turbulence resulting in passenger and crew member injury.
My wife who was a Flight Attendant on the flight I was on was badly injured when a Turbulence happened, I saw her from standing and thrown up to the ceiling of the Airplane, and fell and landed on the floor, people should realize no one knows when a Turbulence will happen so from I saw, I always keep that seat belt on me, even if that seatbelt sign is off, the best advise I’m giving everyone, it will happen. (Don’t think it won’t)
I think it is important to distinguish between the different types of
Turbulence to stop people worrying.
1. Chop is when you are bounced around. Caused by two airmasses joining. Unpleasant, will throw things about, will cause people not used to bracing for it to fall and can open overhead bins if not properly latched. No need to worry over this.
2. CAT or Wind-shear. This where the plane changes height very rapidly caused by wind masses with severe differences. Seated fully belted, you need to watch out for items in the cabin.
There is a reason why the flight deck wear their belts. CAT and wind-shear are much more difficult to detect. The only time to get worried about shear is on approach or take off.
Your first sentence describes a mass casualty event. I read that and thought “OMG, people died? And how many?” After reading further, there weren’t any deaths in this incident, thank God. You may wanna rephrase that first sentence.
“Casualty” means killed OR injured, so it’s actually used appropriately here. I actually just learned this three days ago when helping my kid study for a test in an AP history class. The textbook had different stats than a government website I was looking at about a particular Civil War battle, or so I thought. But it turned out one mentioned number of casualties (which I assumed meant deaths) and the other mentioned number killed. And my high school student had to explain the difference to me.
Honestly the whole thing comes down to accountability. No one likes to see people injured or airlines having issues but people need to listen and follow the rules!!! Yeah you! I’ve never been on a fight in my 50 years of flying where I wasn’t reminded to wear my seat belt when ever I was seated. Whether the fasten seat belt sign was on or not. It’s simple… if these folks would have done what they are supposed to do injuries probably would have been minimal.
I’ve held a pilots license for 44 plus years, OMG that’s like a long time, turbulence is no different today then when I got my license in 1979.
What I found in the article is anytime someone can connect climate change to an event, like the Hawaiian turbulence event” means they’ve figured out away to secure a government grant to study it.
It’s all about the money.
I experienced clear air turbulence on a Singapore Airlines flight many years ago. It was just after meal service (they offered a meal, so you know it was a long time ago), and plates and cutlery went flying. Fortunately no one was injured, but it was scary even though it didn’t last long. I always stay buckled up in flight, as does my pilot husband.
Aloha Guys! Mahalo once again for another informative article. Yes, I have experienced bad turbulence a couple of times. Once was on a flight from Burbank to Oakland on Southwest (this was back in the day when SW was still handing out peanuts.) Anyway, the flight was getting bumpy, and the pilot announced “We are experiencing some heavy turbulence, so the plane will be tossing you your peanuts instead of the crew. And we sincerely hope that it doesn’t cause you to toss your peanuts during this time.” I really appreciated him using humor to diffuse the tension.
This should not be a big problem as far as protecting yourself from injury. Perhaps it’s because we fly so often, but I am very consistent about keeping my seat belt fastened loosely at all times. It is not uncomfortable and could save you a very uncomfortable injury. No I only have to worry about flying beverage carts. Lol.
Aloha
Hi BOH . Mahalo for another thoughtful article.
My family returned to PDX from Vegas on a red eye one time with such strong turbulence that the cabin crew quickly returned to their seats and buckled in where they then remained the entire flight. I kept saying to myself “The plane was built for this and the flight crew knows what they’re doing. We are safe”. It helped a lot to have a little mantra. My kids slept through the entire thing! Also Vegas to PDX= short flight!
Aloha!
See Furtado vs hawaiian air, us dist Court hawaii.
Furuta
I saw the court filing that you are referencing. What is the point that you are trying make by bringing up this case? You understand that Hawaiian Airlines is not the only has ever encountered turbulence resulting in passenger and crew member injury.
My wife who was a Flight Attendant on the flight I was on was badly injured when a Turbulence happened, I saw her from standing and thrown up to the ceiling of the Airplane, and fell and landed on the floor, people should realize no one knows when a Turbulence will happen so from I saw, I always keep that seat belt on me, even if that seatbelt sign is off, the best advise I’m giving everyone, it will happen. (Don’t think it won’t)
I think it is important to distinguish between the different types of
Turbulence to stop people worrying.
1. Chop is when you are bounced around. Caused by two airmasses joining. Unpleasant, will throw things about, will cause people not used to bracing for it to fall and can open overhead bins if not properly latched. No need to worry over this.
2. CAT or Wind-shear. This where the plane changes height very rapidly caused by wind masses with severe differences. Seated fully belted, you need to watch out for items in the cabin.
There is a reason why the flight deck wear their belts. CAT and wind-shear are much more difficult to detect. The only time to get worried about shear is on approach or take off.
Your first sentence describes a mass casualty event. I read that and thought “OMG, people died? And how many?” After reading further, there weren’t any deaths in this incident, thank God. You may wanna rephrase that first sentence.
“Casualty” means killed OR injured, so it’s actually used appropriately here. I actually just learned this three days ago when helping my kid study for a test in an AP history class. The textbook had different stats than a government website I was looking at about a particular Civil War battle, or so I thought. But it turned out one mentioned number of casualties (which I assumed meant deaths) and the other mentioned number killed. And my high school student had to explain the difference to me.
Honestly the whole thing comes down to accountability. No one likes to see people injured or airlines having issues but people need to listen and follow the rules!!! Yeah you! I’ve never been on a fight in my 50 years of flying where I wasn’t reminded to wear my seat belt when ever I was seated. Whether the fasten seat belt sign was on or not. It’s simple… if these folks would have done what they are supposed to do injuries probably would have been minimal.