14 thoughts on “United Airlines Honolulu Picketing + Alaska Air $331/Hr. Pilot Agreement”
Ernie S.
If what your article says is true, which I Trust that it is, leaving Attendants without rooms and transportation is Wrong, it’s as simple as that. Advanced scheduling, weeks or more, may not always be possible but it shouldn’t be any problem to schedule 2 weeks out! Seniority is great but if Seniority is holding up the scheduling then there must be a deadline or be skipped over. Sort of like a Right of First Refusal and If you choose to hold up scheduling you’re going to get what you’re given. After a few times they’ll get their requests in on time! I’ve seen it before where Seniority likes to play games.
Pilot training is extensive and on-going. It is a stressful job. Their required on-going training is more intensive and strict than even surgeons! The article should mention the huge bonuses the C-suite took even during COVID. Pilots, flight attendants and maintenance want better living conditions. Not everyone can live at an airlines hub. United had been the only US carrier to give confirmed seating to get to their hub. It is terrible that they need the use a vacation day to commute to their hub. This is only one issue with contract negotiations.
We almost exclusively fly United with Jet Blue as our backup. Have gotten the chance over many flights to talk to the Pilots and Attendants, extremely nice people. With the oddity encountered once with a passenger/ pilot returning home from NY for Vacation everyone had praised United, they worked their way home without a problem. It was very rare that they couldn’t schedule home that way. Some things have changed, undoubtedly, because of Covid related Shortages but as things improve it should return back to what it was.
I have experienced a level of Rudeness One Time on a United Flight and that was due to the Attendants working their Third Back to Back Flight and Unruly Passengers that didn’t want to keep their Masks On! After 10 days vacation in the DR we flew back to Newark with the same crew, they were rested and all but 2 people were cooperative. Those 2 were ejected from the plane before take off and Everything was Perfect, Over worked Attendants due to shortages and Unruly Ignorant Passengers shouldn’t occur!
Since they only get paid when they are actually in the plane / flying the plane, $330/hr is no necessarily unreasonable. If it’s an overnight trip for example, they don’t get paid for all of the time they are commuting back and forth to the airport, sitting in a hotel room, hanging out by the pool, banging flight attendants, etc.
Compared to what Airline Pilots made years ago and a natural progression of wages this raise just begins to bring the Pilots up to what other airlines pay, retention is more important today than ever. It sounds like an extreme wage but consider what a cruise ship Captain and others aboard and paid! For All of their Experience and Ongoing Training, Pilots and Attendants Deserve More!
They fly how many people’s lives, I say all that travel that we do, we need to fix customer services, like it’s the last day of your life. All flight attendance should educate all that work for the company a beauty and image presentation, like Pan am!!!!. Use to be, we should be servicing each other with Aloha’…… Orlando.
If what your article says is true, which I Trust that it is, leaving Attendants without rooms and transportation is Wrong, it’s as simple as that. Advanced scheduling, weeks or more, may not always be possible but it shouldn’t be any problem to schedule 2 weeks out! Seniority is great but if Seniority is holding up the scheduling then there must be a deadline or be skipped over. Sort of like a Right of First Refusal and If you choose to hold up scheduling you’re going to get what you’re given. After a few times they’ll get their requests in on time! I’ve seen it before where Seniority likes to play games.
Pilot training is extensive and on-going. It is a stressful job. Their required on-going training is more intensive and strict than even surgeons! The article should mention the huge bonuses the C-suite took even during COVID. Pilots, flight attendants and maintenance want better living conditions. Not everyone can live at an airlines hub. United had been the only US carrier to give confirmed seating to get to their hub. It is terrible that they need the use a vacation day to commute to their hub. This is only one issue with contract negotiations.
We almost exclusively fly United with Jet Blue as our backup. Have gotten the chance over many flights to talk to the Pilots and Attendants, extremely nice people. With the oddity encountered once with a passenger/ pilot returning home from NY for Vacation everyone had praised United, they worked their way home without a problem. It was very rare that they couldn’t schedule home that way. Some things have changed, undoubtedly, because of Covid related Shortages but as things improve it should return back to what it was.
Perhaps if the United FA’s treated their passengers better, the public would stand behind them. They are some of the rudest I’ve seen.
I have experienced a level of Rudeness One Time on a United Flight and that was due to the Attendants working their Third Back to Back Flight and Unruly Passengers that didn’t want to keep their Masks On! After 10 days vacation in the DR we flew back to Newark with the same crew, they were rested and all but 2 people were cooperative. Those 2 were ejected from the plane before take off and Everything was Perfect, Over worked Attendants due to shortages and Unruly Ignorant Passengers shouldn’t occur!
Pilots & flight attendants should be provided double occupancy accommodations in median price hotels, or an allowance.
Greetings
Just a small correction
I think you meant to say wage increase not wave increase in the section about the Alaska pilots.
Hi Greg.
Thank you – fixed.
Aloha.
Since they only get paid when they are actually in the plane / flying the plane, $330/hr is no necessarily unreasonable. If it’s an overnight trip for example, they don’t get paid for all of the time they are commuting back and forth to the airport, sitting in a hotel room, hanging out by the pool, banging flight attendants, etc.
Compared to what Airline Pilots made years ago and a natural progression of wages this raise just begins to bring the Pilots up to what other airlines pay, retention is more important today than ever. It sounds like an extreme wage but consider what a cruise ship Captain and others aboard and paid! For All of their Experience and Ongoing Training, Pilots and Attendants Deserve More!
How many hours do pilots fly every day/week/month/year though? Just saying the hourly rate doesn’t mean anything.
Well if pilots fly up-to 1000 (one-thousand) hours a year… at up-to $331/hr… $331/hour*1000hours= $331,000/year…
Not an unreasonable amount in today’s world. I know a Botox salesperson who makes that much per year!
They fly how many people’s lives, I say all that travel that we do, we need to fix customer services, like it’s the last day of your life. All flight attendance should educate all that work for the company a beauty and image presentation, like Pan am!!!!. Use to be, we should be servicing each other with Aloha’…… Orlando.