Changes coming again while Big Island moves to 100% arrival testing + Kauai starts mandatory 14-day quarantine today.
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Changes coming again while Big Island moves to 100% arrival testing + Kauai starts mandatory 14-day quarantine today.
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Hawaii is a complete mess! Your politicians need to get their crud together! The constant changes are an embarrassment to the residents of Hawaii. We have a trip scheduled for July 2021 and I have very little hope that the islands will have ironed out anything consistent even by then. Completely ridiculous!
I am curious if the governor or mayors have given any thought to when the vaccine comes out? If someone has proof of getting the vaccine (and after whatever the waiting period might be for it to take effect) would they no longer have to be tested or quarantined? Might they be welcomed on any island?
Thank you for your consideration of this question,
Karen
Hi Karen.
This will be a changing situation for a long time to come.
Aloha.
Can Hawaii get anymore screwed up?
We’ll see soon.
Welcome to the Covid Clowns pie throwing contest! Hawaii just can’t manage to get its act together. I won’t be visiting until I have had a vaccine and perhaps not even then depending on the crazy hoops we will innevitably have to jump through!
Good call
You may want to take a much closer look at this “vaccine”. It is the most dangerous one ever created. I only say this because I care about you. Look at the Childrens Health Defense website if you are interested. Be well.
@WOC – please do not promote anti-vaccine websites and organizations here.
Per Wikipedia:
“Children’s Health Defense is an American 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization,[1] known for its anti-vaccine activism. Much of the material put forth by the organization involves misinformation on vaccines and anti-vaccine propaganda”
Which vaccine are you referring to? There is more than one.
CHD is an anti-vaxxer organization that hates all vaccines. I wouldn’t use them for information about the safety of anything. I would stick to what the organizations that are responsible for making sure the vaccines are safe like the CDC, the WHO, and the FDA have to say on the topic and not get my info from conspiracy theory websites that don’t have a single shred of actual scientific evidence for what they are peddling.
One of the issues that keeps coming up is how quickly these vaccines are being developed. Please keep in mind that:
1. New methods of developing these vaccines helped to increase the rate of development and we have developed vaccines for other strains of COVID.
2. Typically, big pharma takes a long time to develop drugs because they want to spread out the costs of development. In this case, a lot of those costs ended up being paid by the government by, for example, pre-purchasing the vaccines.
Also keep in mind that, in spite of what certain people are saying, it’s going to be a while before the vaccine rolls out to “ordinary people”. I wouldn’t expect to be able to get the vaccine before spring of 2021 unless you’re elderly, living in some kind of home, a healthcare worker, etc. Those folks might start getting it as soon as the end of this year. Then it will roll out to more and more “essential workers” over the first quarter of 2021, and as I said, by the time the general public can get it, it’s probably going to be April or May.
Finally, in order for the vaccine to stop the spread of COVID-19, a significant portion of the population will need to get vaccinated. So, expect that we will continue to have to wear masks, social distance, and have some lockdowns until that happens. If too many people won’t take the vaccine, then we will be in a permanent state of “lockdown” so to speak.
From Media Bias Fact check website:
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Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks.
Perfect! I hear Florida’s very nice right now…..
Yup, well, except for that whole COVID and people dying thing …
My family had been considering traveling to Hawaii for Christmas/New Years. But with the confusing and changing overly burdensome Covid-related testing requirements, we have opted to go elsewhere. Aloha, adios, sayōnara Hawaii!
A very wise choice! Spend your money where chaos and confusion isn’t thriving.
C with too many pots on boil, Green might know a little something about diseases, he being in the field, Kawakami taking care of business protecting Kauai islanders, at high risk for super spreader devastation. Once out there, nothing stops this deadly virus. Hawaii counts low because everyone is in there pitching
Deadly!? 99.7% survival rate unless you have significant underlying health issues so maybe try again with facts.
Can we Please stop it with that sill number. First , it’s just Wrong . The deaths from COVID-19 have crossed 260K in this country and is predicted to reach 300K by the end of the year, or very early next year. So, with a population of 320 million, that’s pretty close to 1% of the entire population, not just the people who have COVID. According to a study by Johns Hopkins, the mortality rate for the US is about 2%. But this isn’t just about deaths, it’s about people getting so ill they have to be admitted to the ICU. It’s about the fact that if people continue to not take this seriously, the infection rate, will continue to skyrocket like it is right now, and we will run out of hospital capacity.
Not taking a side in your fight but get your math right. $300,000 is not 1%. It’s .1% of the population.
Al, you’re right, missed the “.” there …
The need to “vacation” is not great than the health and safety of the people of Hawaii.
Health and safety rely on having an economy. When politicians voluntarily kill 25% of the economy, how does that prioritize health and safety in the long run? This is sheer madness, brought on by an unjustified fear of a virus that’s lethality has consistently been exaggerated, even as the official numbers have been repeatedly revised down and put into context. Read some real news or, even better, use all that free time you have from not having a fully active economy and read the Source Materials .
Put your critical thinking hat on and review the evidence yourself. Science isn’t some black box that only the elite can comprehend. You don’t need to understand RNA, scanning electron microscopes, or string theory to know that these numbers are being grossly exaggerated and to see that the data is very dirty here. Crap in, crap out.
The authors are right: the crisis is being politicized for individual gain. These guys are playing politics with your lives, but until you see it, you’ll just go along with it and blame the mouth-breathers who don’t wear masks or stand 5 feet away from you (instead of the necessary 6!) in the grocery check-out line. Good luck with that, Hawaii. I will miss you, but you will miss us filthy, selfish tourists more.
I’m a Canadian who has visited Hawaii at least 60 times in my lifetime. For many years I spent every winter in Hawaii, avoiding the snow at home. I will now completely avoid Hawaii as it is so muddled, so inconsistent that there is no chance a trip there would be successful. Having this level of governmental confusion visible to the whole world should be a massive embarrassment to Hawaii. You deserve better, your visitors deserve better. Those of us who love Hawaii, respect the host culture and are eager to support local businesses are frustrated and heart broken.
Massive embarrassment?
No…That would be Senator Mazie Hirono!
My family is flying to Maui this Saturday – we are getting tested with Vault Health on Wednesday. We are so concerned about all of the changes – Vault Health customer service was responsive to my email and the recommended that we put STAT HAWAII TRAVEL on the Overnight box and the bag inside.
The 96 Hour window would be a big help, in-airport testing upon arrival is a good idea. A shorter quarantine also makes sense – I’ve read that 2-weeks is overkill and people are contagious for about 4 days after symptoms.
We are supposed to arrive to Maui on Saturday as well. Hopefully they do not make any last minute changes. Maui was not mentioned so fingers crossed!
I agree on the 96 hours.
These politicians won’t be happy until they Bankrupt all the businesses in Hawaii.
The deadly SARS-Vo-2 isn’t happy unless it kills as many people it can, and byproduct, inoperable businesses. States exist to make money, Hawaii, top of the charts.
Deadly!? 99.7% survival rate so try again!
It’s 2% according to Johns Hopkins, please stop spreading misinformation. Also, it’s Not just about the mortality rate. It’s about how many people have to get admitted to the ICU, etc. Hawaii has limited hospital capacity.
You should probably take your own advice, and “stop spreading misinformation”. The mortality rate is NOT 2%. You’re utterly confused…🤦♂️
Tell it to the CDC. I was being optimistic. “The overall weekly hospitalization rate is at its highest point since the beginning of the pandemic, with steep increases in adults aged 65 years and older. Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to PIC for week 48 was 12.8% and, while declining compared with week 47 (18.6%), remains above the epidemic threshold. The weekly percentages of deaths due to PIC increased for seven weeks from early October through mid-November and are expected to increase for the most recent weeks as additional data are reported. Hospitalization rates for the most recent week are also expected to increase as additional data are reported.” More details here: cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
You previously said, “According to a study by Johns Hopkins, the mortality rate for the US is about 2%.” That is absolutely false, as there is No study that says “the Mortality rate is 2%”.
There is a study that shows “the number of deaths either per 100 confirmed cases (observed case-fatality ratio) or per 100,000 population”, and it represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases, unconfirmed cases, and healthy people.
Clearly your pushing inaccurate information, when 2% is not the representation of the population’s “mortality rate”, when it’s the “observed case-fatality ratio”, that doesn’t take into consideration the unconfirmed cases, and the healthy.
The actual mortality rate in that same study would be the number of deaths per 100k people for the US, which is currently at 85.26, and is an .08526% mortality rate. This, in turn converts to a 99.91474% survival rate. So, Don was actually giving a conservative number. Your optimism is abundantly underwhelming, Joerg…
Jim R. Is spot on! Lots of ignorant people (and dishonest politicians… Redundant?) compare apples to oranges when comparing case fatality rates to infection fatality rates. The reason the flu looks so much less deadly is because assumptions about the number of infected are extrapolated from the confirmed case number. With COVID, they’re always citing the much lower confirmed case number without extrapolating for all of the unconfirmed cases (while simultaneously whining that we don’t have enough testing to confirm all cases!). It’s completely misleading at best, fraud at worst.
I absolutely agree! My military son will finally be leaving Hawaii for good on December 18th, after 3 yrs of military service there! I’m so thankful, because I haven’t been able to see my grandson because of all this nonsense! I could care less if I ever see Hawaii again! Not worth the political crap!