Changes coming again while Big Island moves to 100% arrival testing + Kauai starts mandatory 14-day quarantine today.
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Changes coming again while Big Island moves to 100% arrival testing + Kauai starts mandatory 14-day quarantine today.
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I live on Maui.. we’ve had roughly 542 cases…in 9 months!!!!!
For perspective that is less the amount of people who live on a single street in my neighborhood…
Yet, somehow everyone us ok with the complete poverty and economic destruction that is coming over the next 2-3 years….
The Great Recession basically started on Oct. 7th 2007. Bottom of the housing market out here occurred in very late 2010 or early 2011… Back then we saw roughly 10% less travel activity. We now are seeing 70% less travel activity. This will make the Great Recession look like the a warmup. And it is all self induced.
The devastation is coming and somehow a majority would rather ban tourists ( that aren’t spreading the Vid) than avoid poverty, foreclosures, and loss of any accumulated wealth over the last 8 yrs.
I can almost guarantee Hawaii will have less overall deaths this year than in years past. (since we will be somehow missing 500+ flu deaths)
These continuous changes to Hawaii’s Covid19 travel guidelines, testing, and quarantine times, we’re rethinking travel plans that exclude Hawaii. Too many uncertainties for the travel expense.
All I know is that in my lifetime I have never known a virus to 1) cause this amount of commotion and insanity. 2) To behave in a way where infections suddenly increase exponentially months later. So either, we were attacked again by this virus or the numbers are far from accurate and there is way too much testing going on. It’s a fact that these tests are highly inaccurate. There are far more false positives than false negatives (human intervention?). People have tested within the same day and received different results. How can anyone rely on such data? Plus, when they do retest, it’s added into the count as another positive. It’s just crazy. There is so much gaslighting happening right now (100% intended) that no one knows where’s up and where’s down. We are in a very sad state of affairs – for many reasons.
Also, people have compared this to the Spanish flu of 100 +/- years ago? However, there’s a piece of information about that flu that is conveniently left out; the military men on the ships which are supposedly considered a large portion of the deaths, actually died from Scurvy and not the Spanish Flu. But, those deaths were counted as flu deaths. Sound familiar?
I have a feeling, and it’s something that would never get disclosed for feel of public retaliation, that the common flu is a contributor to the case counts. If these tests, which as you correctly say, are not completely accurate, are mislabeled flu as Covid, it could explain the dramatic rise in positives without the dramatic rise in deaths.
Not saying there is not a virus that is more deadly, but that the suspicious disappearance of the flu this year coupled with the general publics insane response to merely case counts is astounding.
In 2018, the flu flooded hospitals as well. It is possible that the flu along with Covid is the issue. But everything is getting labeled Covid.
Actually, many covid related deaths are not be counted as the person did not receive a confirmation test before dieing. This mostly applies to the elderly and the poor. This was first apparent in New York and Florida.
Also- going to 96 hours makes no sense. Your just shuffling the risk around- more strict on the boarding rules (no test upon boarding = 14 day quarantine rule ) but less strict on the Pre-test window (more risk of infection preceding flight). Glad we (kauai) opted out of this mess.
“Timbers has purchased more guest monitoring bracelets. The large property adjacent to Lihue Airport does not have beach access. Rates start at $874 per night with a minimum 4-night stay, in the off-season.”
What’s not to like?!
Sounds like a circa 1978 episode with Hervé Villechaize and Ricardo Montalban…
“De Plane! De Plane!”
“Smiles everyone, Smiles!”
“My dear guests, I am your host, Mr. Roarke…Welcome to Fantasy Island!!!
😂😂😂
Clearly none of these clowns are really qualified or competent to lead a Scout troop–let alone an entire state. So, hopefully the voters will vote no to ALL of the morons in public office in Hawaii that have essentially bankrupted the state and the counties in 2020 by refusing to not only allow but encourage safe travel to the islands thus far.
Hawaii is unique among states in that it has multiple islands… that are each unique destinations. Due to that reality the state–without a doubt–should have the ability to make and enforce public health policies and procedures for ALL of the islands–that is consistent–and based in science.
Currently, these ____ (county mayors and state officials) are literally arguing over the 1% of the 1% of the 1%. The infection rate of any given group of visitors to Hawaii right now would already be extremely small–even without pre-travel testing. Add THAT element to the filter and we’re talking less than .1% of people getting on a plane to Hawaii right now are likely to have COVID. And then what percentage of the total local population is that less than 1% going to come into contact with while here / while contagious? .00000001%? And what percentage of those people are likely to actually contract the virus from someone–when everyone is wearing masks and social distancing? .00000001%?
The whole conversation is retarded. Life–and public health policy–is never about eliminating all risk. It’s about reducing the risk to a reasonable level… and we were already there just with mask wearing and social distancing. We didn’t even need 1 test–let alone 2–let alone quarantine. It’s like these guys are actively competing to see who can be the biggest dumb a__ on the islands… and right now, that’s a race that’s too close to call.
The antigen tests proposed by Josh Green may give fast results but they also are highly inaccurate and lead to false positive results, especially if they are not administered correctly. I am very concerned that the mass testing that would need to be done at or near the airport may be done by inexperienced or incompetent personnel. I am also concerned that it could violate privacy rights of travelers, as the state would have automatic access to privileged medical records. This may lead to perfectly healthy asymptomatic travelers not only being forced to quarantine for 14 days but also not being allowed to return home for at least 21 days after obtaining a negative test result, as no airline will allow them on board. This could lead to travelers being imprisoned in Hawaii at their own expense for over a month. This is as I feared becoming too risky for any traveler to undertake without severe consequences.
The political posturing is getting in the way of real solutions here. Although Josh Green was a trustworthy voice earlier in the pandemic, once his name became attached to this pre-travel testing program, you need to view his statements within the understanding of his political incentives. He is repeatedly presenting the data in a dishonest way.
To wit:
* Green is correct that the overall counts are stable in the islands. But unless there is a catastrophic failure of the program that should be expected. At the start of the program, Oahu was still getting past their large surge of cases. So the natural declines of that case load are hiding the increases elsewhere.
* The program is very clearly failing to keep Maui, Lanai, and Kauai from experiencing case increases. Counties other than Kauai are failing to fully disclose the numbers that are required to expose this. Kauai is reporting daily cases from visitors that arrived with a negative pre-arrival test, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that’s not happening elsewhere. Other islands are just hiding those details.
Unfortunately there is no way to make the islands actually safer without requiring a post-arrival mandatory quarantine period. Due to incubation periods, a test immediately upon arrival is just security theater. So the politicians and people of Hawaii are left with a choice between certain increases in death or certain economic destruction. There are no good answers until a vaccine is here.
Well put Chris! Here’s the other thing. The choice between deaths and economic destruction is completely one that our politicians have created. In other developed nations, the government is simply making up for some/all of the lost income to people due to the pandemic. Here in the US we refuse to do that.
a few trillion in aid wasn’t enough?
A few trillion here, a few trillion there. Pretty soon, you’re talking real money.
It just gets more bizarre every week. I cancelled all plans to visit Hawaii this year. It’s foolish to make plans when rules change weekly and various islands have their mayor’s make up rules and closing islands. I was planning a June 2021 vacation there, but now changing that to Bahamas or other Caribbean island. I can see this confusion and political inter quarreling to continue onward through next year. Hawaii will be in bankruptcy as the politician’s are clueless with their own agendas.
Kauai has already figured out how to make up for lost visitor revenues. They slapped an additional 17% increase on property tax for only out of state rental condo owners, like me. Really?
On top of that, if your property is a Legal, licensed vacation rental, your property taxes are increased by an additional 50% (because you are a business, you know), even though the county has forbidden anyone from renting one for almost the entire year.
I am waiting for the class action to address this. Rental properties should be taxed at homestead rate for 2020 at best.
That’s mayor Kawakami’s and his big tech friends over tourism control plan that I commented about on an earlier thread.
Shut down the island to tourism and raise taxes on out of state owned short term vacation condos. Which will force the owner to sell at below market value to a local family ending the housing shortage.
That is until there’s no more local families to qualify then Kawakami’s cronies and big tech guy scoop the rest up and control the vacation condo rental market.
They’ll shrink the available vacation condo rental market raise prices which will price out low end Kauai vacationers which cuts the amount of tourist who can stay on the island at any given time.
Richard C. sees exactly what is going on. What a crock. The dishonesty, consolidation, and targeting of out-of-state owners and visitors for insane taxes is legalized theft. Plain and simple. To retain power, government just have to make sure that the locals are happier about reduced housing prices and tourist traffic than they are mad about their family having to move to Las Vegas or elsewhere on the mainland because of the greatly reduced revenue (tax and sales) and jobs from the eviscerated tourism industry.
They think tech is their savior, when tech (Air B&B, VRBO, etc) and CA migrants created the problem to begin with. Good luck with that. Kauai should know better than most that big tech isn’t their friend. Just look at Zuckerberg’s walled outpost and semi-private beach on their island. They’re the real imperialists here, not tourists who come, stay in short-term housing, create jobs, spend (lots of) money, then leave. Not sure how many jobs Zuck created, maybe some short-term construction ones to build his wall to keep the islanders out.
Ha! Maui tried that a few years ago and Starwood (now owned by Marriott) successfully sued and the timeshare owners received a refund. Cost Maui County millions.