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Keep in mind everyone, the lowest vax rates are among minorities/native populations. The vacuous Biden admin tries to push a “rural” America issue w/this-false. The vaccine passports are discriminating against black, brown and other minorities.
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Aloha BOH Bros, Have you ever been to Pearl Harbor? If so, please tell me about your experience. Malaho!! 🏝🌈
Hi Andrea.
Thanks for asking. Here you go. https://beatofhawaii.com/pearl-harbor/.
Aloha.
Dear Judy, Did you know that the Pink Palace of the Pacific was closed to the public after Pearl Harbor happened? It was used for the soliders for rest & heal place. I started my Hawaii research in 2019 & I’ve been learning some new things along the way.
Paul C let’s all party like it’s Martha Vineyard at Obama’s mega mansion!!! Maskless and not all partners vaccinated!!😜👍🏻But you have no idea if WE are vaccinated, eh?
Yeah Vicki, wish we could party!
I have been following Beat of Hawaii for a year or two. It has been such a helpful source for travelers and all things Hawaiian. Now it has changed to arguments about vaccinations and covid. I really appreciate all the good advice, not this petty back and forth between people who seem to have nothing better to say.
I’m with Beth C. I can’t wait until this just about Hawaii.
So many “experts”. I think I’ll just use my brain.
Dear Beth, I agree with you! We definitely need less arguments & more blogging just about Hawaii🐠🌺🍍🌈
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AUGUST 4, 2021 AT 4:08 AM
James – you made a false statement that the governor ordered parents to send kids to school unmasked. He did not do this. Parents could put their kids in hazmat suits if they like. If you believe forcing your own children to wear masks is a good thing to do, then you can force your own children to do so. If you can’t live with sending your masked kids to a school where some other kids are not masked, then don’t send them there. You can home school them with everyone wearing masks.
“No what Desantis has done is prioritize business over health. Over the safety of our children and teachers. He said as much. No he didnt say you cant wear a mask to school but what possible reason could he have to ignore safety? He thought Covid was dying off and things were getting back to normal. Now florida and texas are where 90% of the infections are coming from.
Well I’m happy to say I’m vaccinated and negative covid and I’m headed back to Hawaii in October. I’ll test numerous times prior to any needed negative once I actually fly. I will not complain because in the end after all it’s Hawaii
Unvaccinated, have never tested and get to watch the dumpster fire unfold in Hawaii..
So blessed
Wow. Enjoying yourself?
yup
I do not understand why Hawaii would allow anyone coming into their state without a vaccination AND a valid COVID test. It appears that the honor system of quarantine instead of a required test isn’t working. Isn’t it time to do away with quarantine as an option? There is obviously no ability to monitor people in quarantine. I am vaccinated but fully intend on taking a PCR test prior to travel.
Pam, do you live in the US? If so, does your state “allow” other US residents to travel to your state without a vaccination AND a valid COVID test? Just wondering.
My wife and I are at LAX waiting for flight back to Wyoming after visiting family for a few days. California graciously allowed us to travel here without any proof of being vaccinated or obtaining a negative (I assume that’s that you meant) COVID test prior to arrival. And California is about as proggie as it gets for states. Hawaii requires at least one of the two and actually enforces quarantine of perfectly healthy people who do not comply. Does your state do this? Again, just wondering.
What happens if a resident of your state travels someplace then returns home without being vaccinated or tested? Does your state refuse to let them enter? Did they build a wall or something to keep unclean residents from returning to their homes? What makes you think Hawaii should treat its residents that way?
Have you also listened to the utter disregard for their populations’ safety? In the case of FL, that Gov. is about to send unmasked and not qualified for vaccine yet children back to a Delta variant soup that’s is FL. Before you criticize HI and it’s policies to protect its citizens, perhaps you should look towards your own state policies.
children are literally at zero risk for covid. not a single child in US has died of covid without serious preexisting conditions like leukemia and seious autoimmune diseases
if you insist they need to be muzzled for covid, there is no limiting principle. statistically the flu is more deadly to them so they should be masked in perpetuity
this is science, not opinion
Apparently your opinion is not what the scientists prove:
July 28 numbers of Sars-CV-19 deaths among the 0-18 population:
406 children have died. Boy, lots of pre-existing conditions I guess!
hmmm.. Dr. Osterman.. the epidemiologist who Biden picked to head up his Covid response.. Disagrees. Regular, non-N95 masks, or a pair of women’s underwear shaped like a mask, offer marginal protection at best.
But keep thinking 406 kids died because they didn’t have a mask on… thought 18 months… Yes and overwhelmingly those pre existing conditions are very often Leukemia, heart and or lung conditions
Jamie & Sean, you’re arguing with someone who thinks that the 406 kids, who died, out of 73+ million in the US (less than .000000561643%), don’t have preexisting conditions; yet, several million do. Apparently saying it’s “not what the scientists prove” without backing it up with actual scientific data is enough to justify kids wearing masks permanently, at least until they can force people like you to get vaccinated.🤦♂️
See where I am going here? Many people want to force you to take a vaccine, that hasn’t followed the legal process created by our Government; a vaccine that hasn’t established any long term affects (including potential death, which has happened to a small % of the population thus far); a vaccine that has been given blanket immunity from lawsuits to it’s manufacturers, not to mention, it likely has a similar (probably greater) chance to kill people, than compared to the above percentage, whether it be in the short or long term.
They are so concerned about kids passing the virus on (which in fact would allow us to eventually gain herd immunity), but have no problem illegally sentencing a % of the population to death (a forced token sacrifice), believing it’s a better way.🙄 Their ignorance is real, and the utter lack of understanding at the scope and magnitude of what governments have done and continue to do, under the guise of “protecting its citizens”, just shows how much ignorance there really is out there.
These are very short sighted, easy to manipulate, people. They don’t grasp that there’s no legal precedence to force this vaccines use in the US. It’s why the MSM keeps spamming it, talking about “force”, trying to convince people it’s a good idea, while the govt. floods this country with illegal immigrants (some carriers) not doing anything about it, and allowing the push of this warped ideology.
I have no problem with people making their own choice. My issue is the ideology that forcing people to is even a option at all. 😲
You realize, Sean, that you are arguing with someone who only listens to sources of information that fit what he already thinks he knows. It’s called confirmation bias. It doesn’t matter what scientific evidence you throw out at him, he will find some “alternative facts” somewhere on social media, Qaanon, etc. to counter it. If he has trouble with that, he simply throws the messenger under the bus with comments like “you’re sheep”, etc.
He’s ignoring the fact that masks aren’t there to protect the kids wearing them. They are there to keep a kid who’s infected from infecting others who will then take it home to their family. In other words, they are used to slow/stop the spread of the virus.
Last, but not least, he’s also ignoring the fact that we are in the middle of a huge Delta-driven surge and that we have a large part of the population that’s unvaccinated. So, the only way to stop the spread among that population is to go back to masks, social distancing, and potentially lockdowns. If you look at the places where the surge is the highest, they are all in places where more people have his attitude than in places where people are more caring about others, and use their masks, get vaccinated, etc.
Children are making up a growing share of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S., accounting for nearly 21% last week.
About 88,500 new pediatric COVID-19 cases were reported between April 8-15, according to the latest weekly report from the AAP and Children’s Hospital Association. Since the start of the pandemic, more than 3.63 million children have tested positive, making up about 13.6% of all cases.
At least 297 children have died of COVID-19, about 0.06% of all deaths. About 0.01% of children diagnosed with COVID-19 have died. At least 14,849 children have been hospitalized, about 2% of all hospitalizations. Roughly 0.8% of children with COVID-19 have been hospitalized.
this is full of misinformation
1. who cares if children get it, its less dangerous than flu to them. The “cases” fear porn is just silly
2. of the 335 children who died WITH covid, not a single one was a healthy individual who died OF covid. they all had extreme comorbidities like leukemia and severe autoimmune disorders. Thats zero. not one, not two, but ZERO dead children due to covid out of 3.63 million diagnosed cases (and probably 10 million more than never got diagnosed
Aloha Paul. There was no “reply” tag available to Jamie L post, so I hope that you can once again respond to his fallacious reasoning. When responding by saying “who cares if children get it”, he went on to claim that children case numbers were somehow “cases porn”, whatever that means. Where reasoning left his head…if kids bring the virus home to their adult parents, isn’t that a cause for concern?
Also, without any facts to back up his next claim, that of the 335 child deaths, ALL were as a result of underlying conditions or that they died with Covid. The actual death number is 406, but it is astounding how politically putrid have some people sunk, disregarding facts, substance and empathy.
James B, the florida governor is preserving the right to choose. Just trying to help.
I’ll assume that your post was not irony nor tongue-in-cheek. If it was laugh at these stats:
Cases – 15,818 daily average; 144% increase in past 14 day period
Hospitalized – 9,717 daily average; 130% increase in past 14 days
Deaths – 58 daily average; 72% increase in past 14 days
Total deaths – 39,079
And now, he’s ordering parents to send their kids unmasked into the viral soup he created.
Yep. Makes perfect sense. No emergency. No mandates. No right for businesses to decide how to run their business.
Maybe you were joking, but those numbers and his “leadership” is no joke.
The Florida governor did NOT order parents to bring their kids to school unmasked.
What he “ordered” is that the parent’s have a choice as to whether or not to mask their kids. I get that you prefer that the state of Florida make this decision and not the children’s parents. But not everyone agrees with you.
James – you made a false statement that the governor ordered parents to send kids to school unmasked. He did not do this. Parents could put their kids in hazmat suits if they like. If you believe forcing your own children to wear masks is a good thing to do, then you can force your own children to do so. If you can’t live with sending your masked kids to a school where some other kids are not masked, then don’t send them there. You can home school them with everyone wearing masks.
Evidence is mounting that this concern will not be eradicated. Sooner or later, a friendly face will bring it home. China is very goid at controlling the population, perhaps you’d feel more comfortable there
Aloha Paul. There was no “reply” tag available to Jamie L post, so I hope that you can once again respond to his fallacious reasoning. When responding by saying “who cares if children get it”, he went on to claim that children case numbers were somehow “cases porn”, whatever that means. Where reasoning left his head…if kids bring the virus home to their adult parents, isn’t that a cause for concern?
Also, without any facts to back up his next claim, that of the 335 child deaths, ALL were as a result of underlying conditions or that they died with Covid. The actual death number is 406, but it is astounding how some people have sunk, disregarding facts, substance and empathy.
Unsure why but it would not allow me to reply directly to this. Aloha James B
He has some way of blocking replies now and then. I agree with you.
“And now, he’s ordering parents to send their kids unmasked into the viral soup he created.”
probably best to understand the situation before spouting lies
none of that sentence is true. there is an executive order that permits parents the freedom to choose if their kids are masked or not.
No, he just has hopes for the Presidency. Yeah, just what we need
So Dave. Let’s just suppose that some parents who are e exposed to the virus and refuse to mask or mask their kids then send their kids to your kid’s school. Does freedom of choice make a diff if your kids bring the virus back home and to other families?
Ok Jojo,
Lets go with your logic. Lets say that Biden today writes an executive order that states no longer have the right to have a say over their own health concerns. You and your ilk would be screaming tyrrany, dictatorship on and on and on but if Desantis does it (who wants to run for president) thats totally ok right? Come on. This is big state nanny government dictating to businesses, schools you name it that you cannot mandate safety requirements in the localities. So no he is not preserving the right to choose he is being an idiotic dictator.
Paul, or is it James? The arguments you present are based on supposition. With something around 15% of the world vaccinated at this time, your ideal of everyone receiving vaccine seems unlikely.
Lucky for us your authority is limited to harmless rhetoric.
good for you, Pam. i also test before and after travel , more people need to be responsible instead of pretending their vaccines make them immune from infection and spread
Thank you Jamie L. I agree with you. I’ve had 2 international trips this month. I am vaccinated & have been tested 5 times this month. I also wear a mask. It takes nothing to care about others.
try reading up on American laws
What law exactly gives a governor the right to dictate NO mandates? I will wait because you wont find it. What if Biden today did an executive order mandating or taking away states rights to dictate this one way or another? You would be screaming dictator.
What law gives a governor any right to dictate mandates? What is the difference between dictating a positive mandate (“you must do this!”) or dictating a negative mandate (“you cannot do his!”)? I will wait since you are waiting to learn this yourself.
“What if Biden today did an executive order mandating or taking away states rights to dictate this one way or another?” Biden would be exceeding his constitutional authority, IMO. Not that he would care. See, e.g., ignoring SCOTUS ruling on ordering no foreclosures indefinitely.
Since you asked, you might be interested in the details of the following U.S. laws. A number of state laws give Governors the same authority.
National Emergencies Act (NEA)
Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA)
Public Health Service Act Section 319
Social Security Act Section 1135
Homeland Security Policy Directives (HSPDs) and Presidential Policy Directives (PPDs)
Additionally, specific to the issue of Immunization, there are numerous social, travel, school and other protective immunization requirements in every state.
hope this helps.
What are you thinking? Confusing them with facts
Its not tyranny that was what Trump was doing. So please stop with this. The ruling on the evictions (not sure where you got forclosures) was not about these specifics it was a completely different case.
I read Beat daily and I can’t help but note that lower income people and minorities are the highest groups of unvaccinated in the entire country. Tourists have, for the vast majority of us, gotten our shots. Truly use “real science” when shutting down a petri dish of a country. Instead, focus on vax incentives. Weight is also a huge risk factor, so implement an aggressive healthy food campaign!
Yikes Vicki P. Don’t know which news outlets you listen and watch, but the Kaiser Family Foundation has been tracking vaccination demo for months now. From KFF:
“The unvaccinated group are younger, more likely to identify as Republicans or be Republican-leaning, and more likely to have lower levels of education and lower incomes than the vaccinated population.”
That same analysis goes on to show in a bar chart that whites (56%)far outpace minority populations.
I could, and sometimes do, spend all day correcting the uninformed and outright delusional on BOH, not saying that you are delusional, but simply listening to sketchy channels.
James your comment is unbelievable you must be kidding
Republican people are less educated is repulsive and your Comment should be removed from this informative
site.
If you want to take issue with what I wrote, then take issue with a non-profit medical Foundation. KFF is non-partisan and regularly measures health risks, outcomes and other relevant health data. Note that I, nor KFF didn’t say Republicans are necessarily uneducated. You can have two independent variables without causality, and both can be true. 47% of Republicans or Republican-leaning are unvaccinated. 97% of Democrats or Democrat leaning are vaccinated.
You can certainly be uncomfortable with the truth, but please don’t conflate my post with the facts outlined in the KFF numbers.
If you choose to disagree with my post, then you are disagreeing with a non-profit, non-partisan health organization that regularly tracks health data. Neither I nor KFF said that Republican=less educated. These two independent variables can be measured without expressing causality.
Facts are difficult things to absorb sometimes, but KFF doesn’t deal in speculation.
you are comparing the gross numbers. there are only 14% african americans in the US. by race, they are the leading % of unvaccinated, despite not being in the top gross numbers due to the total gross number of citizens being smaller
hope that helps
What would help is your listening, reading, or watching organizations with no political directive. KFF is a non-partisan organization which regularly tracks health data.
With the amount of screed regularly regurgitated by the anti-vax dirty dozen, combined with the historic racism within the medical establishment, if I were black, I might be as scared as you are inaccurate.
Vicki you have proof of this exactly how? Please point me in the direction of the poor are the ones not vaccinated. Also entitled much? WOW
wait… masks work.. right??
Aloha BOH Bro’s
During the pandemic I’ve commented many times that Hawaii no matter shutdown or not, vaccinated or not, tested or not could not avoid a huge spike of covid cases.
In their defense at least government actions have given enough time for elderly, health compromised and any individuals wanting a vaccination an opportunity to get vaccinated.
Shame on you if you didn’t take advantage of this opportunity.
Two week ago I finally made the decision to get vaccinated I’ve done my homework waited for several months looking for any side effects. Than watched as an estimated 3 million residents of India die from the Delta strain.
First shot done second next week.
If the pattern holds true give or take over the next 2 to 4 weeks Hawaii will see a huge spike in cases then without warning it will fall off. Hopefully at that point they will have reached herd immunity.
Once herd immunity is reached future covid infections will should be no different then a common cold. Hopefully any ways……….
It is very interesting that the Indian or Delta variant (no slur against India or Delta Airlines) could actually be of benefit. This variant has proven to be much more easily transmittable but though it can still kill those of elderly group or those with pre existing conditions and health problems it is less dangerous to the general population. Thereby ramping up the numbers particularly amongst young people who have antibodies. At dark times we must not overlook the positives.
less than 500k died in India… Try a different data source.
yeah only half a million people died. Wow.
There is also credible accounts that the number could be north of 2 million. India’s ability to gather data on deaths from the pandemic in no way mimic the U.S. reporting systems.
yeah, not even half a million in a population of nearly 1.4 billon (.0357142%). How about we put that in context to world wide total death numbers (not just covid): 155k+/- per day; 4.7 million+/- per month; 56 million+/- per year. They are over 4 times larger in population than the US, while the US is roughly 3 times the land mass of India.
Those with covid in India should be dying at a far greater pace, compared to the US, based on the law of averages, yet that’s not the case. Realistically, they should be around 4 million covid deaths (0.285714%), so 98.72% of their population would have survived thus far, and that’s based on a potential worst case scenario…
Say what you want to say. believe….whatever.
Several studies, and now three new estimates put the deaths in India’s three waves at between 2.5-5 million. The Center for Global Development, hardly a left-wing think tank, took three approaches to produce reliable estimates that make the probable number of deaths due to Covid at ~4.1 million and counting during the even more deadly third wave now ongoing.
James,
LOL, I was quoting data from a source you could easily look up, if you don’t believe me, AND I acknowledged that India’s stats were likely inaccurate:
“Those with covid in India should be dying at a far greater pace, compared to the US, based on the law of averages, yet that’s not the case. Realistically, they should be around 4 million covid deaths (0.285714%), so 98.72% of their population would have survived thus far…”, and China should be not too far behind.
Do you really believe that two countries like China and India with a combined (nearly) 40% of the world’s population would have less covid deaths than a country with less than 5% of the world’s population, if it has spread as fast and as bad as they want you to believe?
Also, statistics in the US (who “supposedly” have transparency) have been bloated. Why? Because people are dying from their comorbidities (with covid), not necessarily “from covid” like has been perpetuated for the last year and a half. Early on it was reported, by Dr. Birx, in a live broadcast, that they were counting deaths from people dying “with covid” as covid deaths, whether it was a legit cause or not.
Oh, and please PROVE that it is an “even more deadly third wave now ongoing” here in the US, because at this point, I am not seeing the death totals even close to early (manipulated) covid numbers here, where nearly half the population is vaccinated. You don’t get to use a gaslighting statement to make a claim that is not proven accurate. 🤦♂️
Follow the science and get your info from RELIABLE sources. It’s well known India under reports as they have no clue how many have actually died. Too many live in rural areas. Stop spreading false narratives and conspiracy theories you hear on FAUX News. Thanks….
Unfortunately, it appears Hawaii loves to shoot itself in the foot. My wife & I plan to retire in Kauai in the near future. My wife is a highly experienced and credentialed nurse (RN, BSN) with over 40 years of critical experience (ER, Level 1 & 2 Trauma, etc.). Knowing there’s a nursing shortage in Hawaii, she’s thinking about working part-time. I looked into obtaining her RN license in Hawaii – it’s pure torture. Absolutely ridiculous! And, of course, unique to Hawaii The nursing shortage in Hawaii is somewhat self-imposed. That plus their pay scales vs. cost of living are problematic. Aloha
Yep vs Florida who is hiding the numbers of covid cases. Want your wife to be a nurse there. Do what you need to do to make it happen and quit whining about it. Pure torture you say? How is the nursing shortage self imposed exactly?
hiding covid cases? why do you feel the need to make up talking points to bolster your argument. let me guess. you beleive debunked stalker lunatic rebekah jones, the “scientist” who had an axe to grind after getting canned from her job.
The State of Florida isn’t providing daily updates on Covid-19 cases like the majority of the country.
That qualifies as hiding information to me.
Jake F,
I find it ironic that you actually need to be told, or for that matter you would believe what your told, from any State government that you clearly do Not trust, what their daily updates on covid cases are. 🤦♂️ Either way, how would you prove them wrong or right??? You people need to stop with the theatrics… 🤣
Well, if every other state is daily reporting, then do you have a reason that FL only publishes weekly data… in the middle of the largest surge in cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the country?
Barry Burton, Pinellas County administrator, told the Tampa Bay Times that due to capacity concerns, some local hospitals had already had to divert ambulances elsewhere.
Hospitals in Miami have seen a surprising increase in the number of children infected with the virus, many of whom require intensive care.
The ONLY reason to trust these numbers are not due to the State’s recalcitrance. Hospitals and the state health agency are REQUIRED to report the numbers at least weekly.
Lack of medical professionals on Hawaii, especially outside of Oahu/ Honolulu, is nothing new. Multiple reasons. Difficult state licensing requirements may be one of them, but also the cost of living versus pay rates and isolation from other professionals (few colleagues to consult with). Kauai is not a good place to have a heart attack. OK there is no good place to have a heart attack, but if you are going to have one, get back to the mainland first. Serious trauma injuries (e.g., vehicle crashes of which we have plenty) get flown to Honolulu as a matter of routine. Wilcox may be OK for less serious issues. I’ve had my ears flushed out a few times at the PV urgent care (and the one in Kilauea before PV opened), and they do a fine job. In fact, they told me ear washes accounted for 30% of the people who stop by.
We are coming over during Christmas and while we are there, will be searching for a retirement home for us. We are so thankful and blessed that we will have the opportunity to come over again after Hawaii “being closed” so to speak during the past year. We are all vaccinated, but if they want us to test, we will test. If they want us to mask up, we will mask up. It is a small inconvenience to have to pay in order to be safe and keep others safe. We want to be accepted with aloha just as we want to show our respect and aloha. Don’t get me wrong, I hate the masks, but if that is what is going to be the difference of coming over or not, I will just make sure I have lots of beautiful masks to wear.
Good luck to you Dayna B. We tried that May-June. Be prepared to over pay BIG TIME. Median price as of last week was 1.2 million. Fixer-uppers will take 8-12 months to complete & cost 30%-40% more than the mainland. No exaggeration. True facts we experienced
Greed has ruined paradise.
SO ICU and other beds are a problem once again!? Then WHY isn’t the illustrious MD AG not picking up the damn phone and calling Washington to have the west coast based Navy hospital ship sent over to Hawaii NOW! This is so way beyond ridiculous that HE, of all people, has not bothered himself to even talk about the concept or is there some ulterior motive beyond not asking for the help like further locking down the Islands?
So, setting aside the conspiracy theories, for a moment. Perhaps there’s a reason for this that you don’t know? I know this when California got the hospital ships they were EXPRESSLY told that they could not be used for COVID patents. That they could be used to shift other kinds of patients to the hospital ships so that the brink and mortar hospitals could handle more COVID patients. If that would be the case with Hawaii, I’m not sure how much that would have during a huge COVID spike.
So…would it be too soon to plan our trip to the Big Island in January?
Dear DN, I’m suppose to be coming in 2022 April for my life long dream vacation trip but I think I will re-evaluate the situation in December. Maybe by then things will have smoothed out some. If I had one wish it would be that covid never existed for health reasons then travel! Stay safe & God bless you…..John 3:16 & Psalms 91:11❤🌍🏖🌈🍍🥥🐢🐠🌺
Dear DN, This whole covid situation is bad for everyone & it is very frustrating! I’m getting very excited for whenever I get to come😍 I’ve waited all my life to come to the beautiful 🏝 & I definitely will be blessed to come! Stay safe:)
Aloha DN
No, in my opinion it’s never a bad time to plan a trip, and January is a great time to visit. It’s technically the “off season”, which starts after the holidays, and the Big Island has recently eliminated the interisland testing (hopefully it will stay that way). You will likely still have to test for Covid based on the rules now, but changes are coming, and things may change even more come January. They have been changing on almost on a monthly basis for the last year and change. Good luck!
this is what happens when you replace testing with vaccination
CDC has acknowledged that unvaxxed and vaxxed people currently spread covid in similar numbers
it is irresponsible to continue to censor this basic fact, BOH)
censor? LOL Very few break thru cases have happened. And we would be dealing with very few had ALL gotten the vaccine. FACT
youre melting all over the place with your fake narratives, paul. CDC currently estimates 35000 breakthrough cases per week. see Washington post article on their internal memo, july 30th
Your numbers are accurate. Your logic? Not so much. If you would actually read what the CDC memo said, it can be summed up in one quote:
“We would not be in this situation had 30% of eligible citizens been vaccinated.”
The memo goes on to note that the risk of an unvaccinated person dying from the virus:
“When the chance of dying from COVID-19 is about one in 200 for an unvaccinated person, while the chance of adverse events from an mRNA vaccine is about 2 to 4 per million, Weissman said the choice is clear. It bothers him “to no end,” he said, when he hears of patients who ask to be vaccinated against COVID-19 when they are already infected and moments before they are intubated: “They could have taken the vaccine a month earlier and not ended up in this position.”
really.. so the mask is for…….??????
Oh yeah, protecting vulnerable, vaccinated people. And kids who statistically have a better chance of dying from a bee sting.
Uh NO actually the mask is to protect Sean the unvaccinated just in case we have the virus and we don’t want to spread it to you. Why I am not so sure since your not really that nice of a guy but hey that’s what we who actually care about others do.
And your statistics on kids is way off but by all means.
Uh NO, actually the mask is to keep the Sick from spreading diseases, as Science has proven masking Healthy People (whether vaccinated or unvaccinated) does very little to contain the spread of respiratory viruses. Thinking that masking the unvaccinated will keep it from spreading is the opposite of factual scientific data.
You will spread it to healthy people if you are sick and NOT masked. There was a point where an average of 85% of the country was masked up, and people were Still contracting the virus.
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americans-say-they-are-regularly-wearing-masks-in-stores-and-other-businesses/
Reality Check – since you Can still get the virus after being vaccinated (whether you have less of chance of dying or not), then the logic flows that you would need to wear a mask, not knowing if your potentially sick, just like those who are the healthy unvaccinated.
If you still think that forcing the unvaccinated to get this barely tested vaccine will give You the freedom to not wear a mask, You got another think coming. This virus will be an issue until there is herd immunity, and frankly, it isn’t going anywhere even with herd immunity. It’s a virus and they have YET to eradicate most of the viruses on this planet.
Please take care when reporting on vaccinated, yet able to be infected and transmit. The data are young. The reports are far from scientifically valid as reporting at this point indicates no firm conclusions about transmissible infections aside from anecdotal (Mass. 4th of July event)reports.
Your point is well taken however. The anti-vax screed has poisoned and infected many of my rural neighbors to the point that they think things like infertility, genetic manipulation of the mRNA vaccines and other outright lies.
It is widly reported that fully vaccinated people are getting mildly ill and testing positive for covid and therefore able to infect others. No study needed. Good handwashing and staying home when sick will go far to protect all, vaccinated or not.
Add to that wearing masks, preferably N-95 when in crowded spaces, and you have my agreement. What study is needed is data analysis of reported breakthroughs to estimate the likelihood of breakthrough infections.
As CDC Walinsky noted:
“The highest spread of cases and severe outcomes is happening in places with low vaccination rates and among unvaccinated people,” she said. And “the associated illness, suffering and death could have been avoided.”
You must admit that many people who got vaccinated also fell for disinformation – that the vaccines would prevent infection and spread, and were the only path to ‘return to normalcy’
all of that was known to be false way back before the huge PR push. Its unfortunate that these bureaucrats treat people like ignorant children
With respect, you are conflating infection and a 97-99% chance that if infected you would not experience symptoms requiring hospitalization or die because of the virus.
That has been the consistent message from health officials, once again manipulated and twisted by those seeking to diminish the efficacy of the vaccines.
Have individuals experienced “breakthrough” infections? Obviously, out of 340,000,000+ doses administered, one would expect transmissible “breakthrough”.
One needs to look no further than the dramatic drop in cases, hospitalizations and death between the initial EUA and the arrival of the new Delta variant. In fact, the Delta variant was made possible by a simple statistic: 97% of declared Democrats said in a recent survey that they had received full doses; 47% of Republicans. Look no further than those states dominated by Republicans and the current case load driving the new wave. Even as some Republican lawmakers have admitted that they contributed to the false narratives, their message comes too little and too late for the surge we are experiencing.
Funny for those of us paying attention we already knew this. Get vaccinated
Those of us who paid attention and listened knew that it wouldnt keep you from getting it rather that it would keep you from being hospitalized and dying. But keep spreading your misinformation.
so we are agreed, that the ONLY purpose vaccinations serve is to provide some protection for the vaccinated from hospitalization and death, and do not stop infection and spread
ergo, hawaii’s policy of not testing vaccinated individuals before letting them enter the island is indeed killing people
Only the unvaccinated hence the need to get it
After being told by your buddy, James B, you’re still not grasping that the vaccinated can, have been and still do transmit this virus. If Hawaii is going to test Island bound travelers, testing everyone, including returning residents, (at the state’s expense for sure) is the ONLY answer. This isn’t rocket science. 🤷♂️
Did you read my earlier post explaining? I’ll repeat the statements of public health epidemiologists:
One has a 97-99% chance that if infected you would not experience symptoms requiring hospitalization or die because of the virus.
Had the 30%-40% of vaccine skeptics gotten their shot, we would not be discussing the next Delta wave of Covid.
That has been the consistent message from health officials, once again manipulated and twisted by those seeking to diminish the efficacy of the vaccines.
Have individuals experienced “breakthrough” infections? Obviously, out of 340,000,000+ doses administered, one would expect transmissible “breakthrough”.
One needs to look no further than the dramatic drop in cases, hospitalizations and death between the initial EUA and the arrival of the new Delta variant. In fact, the Delta variant was made possible by a simple statistic: 97% of declared Democrats said in a recent survey that they had received full doses; 47% of Republicans. Look no further than those states dominated by Republicans and the current case load driving the new wave. Even as some lawmakers have admitted that they contributed to the false narratives, their message comes too little and too late for the surge we are experiencing.
My posts hopefully are for the benefit of BOH readers so that they can measure, I wish you health as well.
Do the math: Vacation travel to Hawaii is at pre-Covid levels + Vax’d travellers can spread the virus + vaccination of HI residents is on the decline. How can the guy say HI is turning the corner? Summer travel is nowhere near the end … but I guess its like the Mayor of Maui asking on Sunday (yesterday) for school reopening to be postponed when school starts tomorrow:(
This is mostly the governments fault..locally and especially nationally, but also the fault of people not educating themselves on what the vaccine actually does. The mixed and erratic message surrounding the vaccine has led too many people to believe that if they’re vaccinated they have a pseudo ‘shield of protection’ around them that prevents them from acquiring the virus. Just today, Mitch McConnell tested positive and he’s fully vaccinated. Originally they were calling them ‘breakthrough cases’. I think as the Delta gains prominence and the Lambda becomes more prevalent, they won’t be seen as ‘breakthrough’…they’ll become the norm. This virus isn’t going away anytime soon. Limit the tourist influx and require EVERYONE to have a pre arrival negative test, and if we can afford it…post arrival as well. Thanks
this is what happens when you substitute vaccination for actual testing
it is completely anti-science to give the vaccinated a pass on testing when its clear that they are equally as likely to get infected and spread covid as the vaccinated. Unfortunately people swallow the fake narratives of the media and the unelected bureaucrats of these public health agencies, instead of doing the bare minimum of research on the experimental treatments they are injecting themselves with. It was clear from the pharma documents submitted for EUA that the vaccine ONLY attenuates resultant symptoms, and it was never studied or promoted as preventing infection and spread.
testing for all is the ONLY practical solution
No actually its not against science. Funny how you all believe the parts of science you want to but ignore the rest.
Jamie L, that makes too much sense. 👍
PaulC – “Funny how you all believe the parts of science you want to but ignore the rest.” 😏
We leave on 8/12 for Kauai. Half of us are vaccinated, the other half not (underage). I kept in place all of our covid test appts incase they go back to everyone testing regardless of vaccination. And I understand if they do, I guess my question to you, is how likely do you think they would be to reimplement covid testing for all within the next week 1/2? We’ve seen Kauai do some pretty fast rule changing in the past.
Hi Lynde.
Keep an eye on the new cases per day. That might be the most indicative of whether a quick change is likely or not.
Aloha.
Great thoughts Debbie! We are headed to Kauai in Sept and plan to do as you did.
Mahalo
I don’t know if this applies to the rest of the state, but the uptick of cases on Kauai seems to be caused by unvaccinated residents traveling to the mainland and returning with it, rather than tourists. This is an issue you didn’t address. Both Ige and Kawakami in the last week have addressed this, asking unvaccinated individuals not to travel. Maintaining Safe Travels at this point is obviously essential, but residents getting vaccinated would resolve the uptick, as well as making it possible for tourists to visit without endangering residents.
There is a severe shortage of qualified health workers in Hawaii. That may, in fact, be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, rather than it being ICU or ventilator capacity, as was the case last year. There is said to be only enough staff to man two-thirds of the state’s hospital beds, which, if true, would mean we are already nearing capacity.
Hawaii needs to fix it’s dam healthcare environment. We drive too many DRs. away and do not put in place attractive policies that encourage DRs. to come to the State.
Its frustrating that they aren’t going to accept the Novavax vaccine from people in the clinical trail for that vaccine (data so far is great). That puts me in the ‘unvaccinated’ group, when in fact i am vaccinated. Frustrating that they aren’t supporting vaccine trials.
You should have gotten now card from the cdc showing two shots
Are you saying Hawaii doesn’t recognize?
..or
If you are sayimg you never got a card recently, ask trial coordinator. Y daughyer got jers last week
I can understand why they’re not since its still technically a trial. However, I do feel your pain and understand. You try to be responsible and do the right thing and you don’t get to benefit for it. It stinks. Something similar happened to me in my line of work.
Greetings from Alabama: Dear Rob & Jeff, I found your story & read it😃 I was born in Philadelphia so I’m a Yankee! My main hobby is travel(especially by ✈). I need to make a tee 👕 that says have suitcase will travel! Take care😍
Dear BOH, Right now I’m @ the frustration level with trying to plan my dream Hawaii vacation, like some many other travelers!😔😲 This whole virus situation is frustrating! I’ve been waiting my whole life to come to your beautiful islands❤✈🌈 Hopefully things will get smoothed out soon:) What is your story? I don’t think I’ve heard it before. Do you live in Hawaii? Take care! ❤ Andrea!
Hi Andrea.
We must certainly do live here. You can check out our about us page for more information.
Aloha.
Today is National Friendship day! August 1st❤
Dear Everyone who reads the BOH: if you are an Elvis fan then you need to go to the Neil Blaidsell Center, which was the old Hawaii civic center I think. He did a concert from the building & there is a statue of him there. It is in downtown Honolulu on Ward Ave, I believe. People also leave their leis on him😍 I called one of the local hotels in Waikiki & was talking to a man who works in hotel. I thought that was very sweet of him to tell me this local tip♡! I’m an Elvis fan! So, I thought I would do the same for others by passing along the information. God bless you & stay safe.
We attended that concert (1972 or 73). It was awesome! We’ve seen some great concerts on Maui as well.
Dear Shirley, oh I bet it was awesome to see Elvis in person!! ❤ I wasn’t even thought about then, lol! Ive been to Tupelo where Elvis was born & I sat on his frontporch swing. Seeing his 🏠 was very cool. Then in the same trip I went to Graceland. Did you know that Elvis had a twin? He was still born & his parents already named him Aaron. That is why Elvis had the middle name because of his brother! I’m tired of this pandemic & I wish that covid never existed for health reasons & travels! Stay safe & God bless you…..John 3:16 & Psalms 91:11🍍🥥🌍🌈💺☀️🛩😍🏖💧🌊🐢🐠🌺
Good afternoon Shirley, I will go to Hawaii when it is meant for me to go. I’m trying to be patient, but it sure is frustrating! Take care of yourself & many blessings to you from Alabama😇❤
Thanks for the updated Covid info!
Thanks, will be going to Hawaii in November.
Dear Judy, Did you know that the Pink Palace of the Pacific was closed to the public after Pearl Harbor happened? It was used for the soliders for rest & heal place. I started my Hawaii research in 2019 & I’ve been learning some new things along the way.
Dear BOH, I have another question. On the website for Hawaii it says to take test 72 hours for final leg of trip before departure for Hawaii. So this means that a person with a connecting flight to Honolulu would have to leave airport to go to a accepted test site, do test, get results, then go back to airport they will leave from? Is this correct?! Could you please answer when you get a chance!♡ Mahalo & God bless you!! 😍
Hi Andrea.
You get your test at your origination point. You just need to be sure that the test is taken within 72 hours of the actual departure of that final mainland to Hawaii flight.
Thanks for your hundreds of comments!
Aloha.
Dear BOH, okay just to clarify you are saying that a person gets the test done in the city they live in? If so I’ve been thinking all along the other way I wrote about….oops, lol! That is why people need to ask. 🤔I enjoy reading all the messages in blog. Malaho!! I think this is the last question I have for now, I think. God bless!
Hi Andrea.
Thanks. Most people who get tested do so in their originating (home) departure city, yes. You don’t have to, but if not you’ll have to figure out a rapid testing option en route.
It’s just the “within 72 hours of your mainland to Hawaii departure time” that you need to pay special attention to. Hope that makes sense – let us know if not.
Aloha.
Dear BOH, the way you described the answer I understood it completely now! Hopefully I will be able to come next year as planned!♡♡ 😍
The travel rules to Hawaii keep changing. Check back a few weeks before your planned trip to see the current travel rules.
Dear BOH Bros, I saw the link & took a screenshot of it. Thank you! God bless & many blessings to you😇
Hi Andrea.
Thanks. Now your the second person calling us that.
Aloha.
Even those that have been vaccinated are getting what most likely is the Delta Variant!!!! EVERYONE should be tested regardless!!!!!
Interesting that the Lt Governor is finally getting on board with IGE. Hawaii needs to do what Hawaii needs to do! Outdoor mask mandate I would disagree with.
Someone asked earlier about wristbands on UAL:
Yes UAL does offer preflight wristband that gets you through quickly after landing. Get to your airport early enough to ask at which gate the screening is given. At SFO it was gate 16 last week
What about Delta at LAX? Do they offer pre-flight wristbands? We are heading to the Big Island in a few weeks, and we are flying Delta.
I’m compelled to comment for a little comic relief.
Lets hope you are not flying ‘Delta’ if you catch my drift…
Aloha and safe travels
What are wristbands for?
the wrist band is a pre approval for when you arrive in hawaii that you have passed all protocols and you get right in without further delay. Dont have one you will be delayed in the airport
The airline checks everything before you board, then gives you a wristband. then when you arrive in Hawaii, you don’t have to wait in the long line.
This is so true from the third paragraph above: ‘This is especially true for returning residents (and visiting family)to whom perhaps are the bulk of the current problem is attributable.’ I know of several returning residents/visiting family who profess that they quarantined by staying in a room or rental for ten days but yet they stopped ‘at Costco’s to get supplies on their way from the airport and have friends and family come visit them to talk story or have a party while in quarantine. My tutu would say: ‘no be lolo’…Keep up the good work, B of H….
With the latest news from the CDC on Covid tests, are there any changes to testing requirements coming to Hawaii?
I am on the Big Island right now (7/26/21). It’s scary how many people defiantly refuse to wear a mask. We were in Kona today running errands. The maskless were all older people (over 55) and younger (30-something) residents. Multiple times we witnessed shop/restaurant workers asking these people to put on their masks. “Oh, I left it in the car”; “can’t you just seat me real quick?”; “masks don’t work and you can’t make come wear one”.
Please wear your masks! The sooner you do, the sooner we can ALL take them off. Mahalo.
Masks have not really worked have they my dear. 18 months in to this thing and we are back to the masks. In the end, it may be those demanding masks will have safe zones to huddle up in. We are learning lots of lessons.
What makes you say that? I love how people take success, and make it into failure. What Hawaii has done so far has kept the virus manageable in their state. They need to do that due to their isolation and the fact that they have limited hospital capacity. What should be obvious was that they “opened up” too soon. They should have waited until, as they originally planned, more than 60% of their population was vaccinated, and better yet that 70% number. What you see now is the result of a new variant, that’s actually more than 2 times as contagious as the original, combined with loosened restrictions around masks and social distancing. I get that it was hurting the economy, but what good is a booming economy if everyone is sick or dying?
masks HAVE worked. The problem is those who refuse to wear them. I have not had a cold or flu for 18 months. I have been around several positive covid people with my mask. I have been tested a number of times. Guess what the mask protected me. Stop spreading misinformation please.
You raise an interesting point: it’s all about you.
Best of luck and hope you stay home.
exactly
masks do and have been working however and I am guessing you are one there are many who refused all along to wear one. Refused to socially distance and now we also know the reason we are back to mask is because so many have refused to get vaccinated. Please get vaccinated.
Im sure you would not mind your doctor or nurse sneezing on you in the hospital right/
Hahahaha..”the sooner we wear them the sooner we can take them off…”
What, 18 months wasn’t quite long enough?
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Sean,
Masks work, which is why you need to get the vaccine.
The vaccines work, which is why you need to wear a mask.
Hope that helps
no its not because people like you refused to get vaccinated and spread the virus variant rampant. You refused to socially distance and wear a mask. If only all of you would get the vaccine and do what you need to do to keep others around you safe we would have been out of this by now.
So only those between 40 and 54 are responsible you say? Geezaloo how prejudiced/ignorant/self-righteous!
Hello Mary, I agree with you! I’m still wearing my mask. Take care & stay safe❤
Aloha,
I visited Kauai the week of July 4, and had to pre-test before arrival. It was simple and easy, and it made me feel better flying from California for 5 hours to know that at least 72 hours prior to take-off, everyone flying with me was negative for Covid.
Even though both my friend and I have been vaccinated and tested negative, we wore masks at all times indoors during our visit, even though some places hardly anyone was. It seems only polite and right.
I support any and all safety measures to keep locals safe, and keep anti-vaxxer and entitled jerks out of the islands. The rest of us who respect and love Hawaii will do what it takes. 🙂
Mahalo!
With less than 60% of Hawaiian residents vaccinated, it doesn’t appear that over 40% of Hawaiians respect and love Hawaii.
Thank you, Debbie!!
Whoa, you started off well, then minimized and dehumanized a group of people for making a choice that was available to all.
Not Aloha.
As the article says many residents are NOT getting tested and supposedly quarantining instead so unfortunately what you say is probably not true
Is a test required whether vaccinated or not?
Dear Debbie, I’m suppose to be going to Hawaii in April(2022) for my lifelong dream vacation trip but when December rolls around I’m going to reevaluate the situation. Maybe by then things will have been smoothed out & I can still come. I’m very excited for whenever I can come!😍🌺🐠🐢🌊🏖🍍🥥🌎☀️🌈💺🛩 If I had one wish it would be that covid never existed for health reasons, then travel! Stay safe & God bless you….Psalms 91:11
Aloha BOH Bro’s
As documented early last week my un-vaccinated daughter was stuck in Mexico with a positive covid test. Surprisingly she showed up at Sac Metro airport around mid-night last Tuesday with full blown covid.
They’d bribed local officials to get on the plane…….I can’t tell you how disappointed I was in learning that.
That was the tipping point for me….Last Friday I got my first vaccine shot second shot will be 13th of August.
Hi Richard.
Thanks for that update. Wow. We hope everyone involved will be okay.
Aloha.
Mad respect!
They should have kept the testing in place. That would prove it isn’t the tourists spreading covid and no one to blame except the unvaccinated and untested being the ones that are spreading the virus. An entire plane full of negative test people shouldn’t be the ones made to suffer while spending tons of money in Hawaii.
way to attack the locals once again. Good grief.
A negative PCR test from a “trusted partner” performed within 72 hours of your flight to Hawaii is still required to avoid 10 days locked in a room, aka, quarantine. A recent exception to the testing requirement is if one can demonstrate with a little slip of paper that they received the vaccine. I believe Hawaii is the only state left that requires quarantine for domestic travelers. It is only (unvaccinated) Hawaii residents who are not bothering with testing and opt instead for “quarantine.” You don’t need to subject vaccinated tourists to ongoing trusted partner tests to prove this.
I know public health is critical, but Hawaii’s flip flop nature (no, not the beach sandals) is super frustrating. We’re coming in a week and a half- all vaccinated, but should they require those tests, too, it’s going to be challenging to get an appointment. I hope the powers who be think about the several thousands of dollars people are spending to get there and give target dates for requirements that give travelers ample time to plan ahead.
Mahalo
Hey Deb,
I don’t know where you are flying from, but there are a TON of providers doing Covid tests that align with the Safe Travels program. We can’t control the flip-flopping of the politicians (the state Governor disagrees with some of the island mayors, etc…!) but we CAN control keeping ourselves and the locals who live in Hawaii safe. It’s the Aloha spirit. 🙂
Have a wonderful time!
Deb,
We flew to Oahu 6/4 We tested right at the airport 72 hours ahead of time via a testing company that Hawaiian Air recommended. It was super easy we self tested right in our own car and were out of there in 15 minutes. We had our results in 10 hours and it cost us 90.00 each. Once we got our negative results we were given a qr code which you can print or use on your smart phone. We stopped at the check in they gave us wrist bands which scooted us right past many who did not have pre clearance. Have fun and know you will enjoy Hawaii. Anything we needed to do we were willing to.
Dear Paul C, How was your trip to Oahu? What did you do? God bless you! Psalms 91:11❤
The trip was wonderful. Easy into the airport. Right to the rental car agency, then onto the condo. WE spent time at the beach and waikiki, drove the entire island along the ocean. Tons of things to do though some of the things we were hoping to do were all booked up as we got there right as things were starting to open up. If you have any specific questions I am happy to fill you in 🙂
Dear Paul C, so Walgreens is on the list as a trusted partner for Hawaii for the covid test? I think I read that American Family Care…urgent care….is on the list? Is that correct Paul? Thank you. God bless you😍
Dear Paul C, what is the link again for the list of trusted partners? Thanks 😊
Hi Andrea.
It is here: https://hawaiicovid19.com/travel-partners/.
Aloha.
Paul C…..how did you get treated in general? I’ve been reading about how some residents aren’t nice.
Paul C….I will go to Hawaii when it will be meant for me to go, but it sure is frustrating because I’m trying to be patient! When December rolls around I’m going to reevaluate situation because that is when I will need to get tickets to go in April.
Paul C….well whenever I do go I will indeed have booked my tours well in advance. I’ve been doing my research, lol!
Aloha Paul C, here is my itinerary: Pearl Harbor because I’ve always wanted to pay my respects because my Grandfather was in Navy & in Pearl Harbor, Waikiki beach, Iolani Palace, Waikiki aquarium, zoo, Leonard’s bakery, foster botanical gardens, Bishop Museum, Ala Moana center, Aloha tower, Henry’s place, & Polynesian Cultural Center. There it is😄
Dear Paul, I’m glad that you a great trip!♡♡
Hi,
This has been my worry as well. We’re coming in 1 week and we’re fully vaccinated. I’m worried about trying to find a place to test us 72 hours in advance if they make that mandatory again.
I would just have a negative covid test ready 72 hours ahead of time. Wallgreens and some other pharmacies do it for free and turn around is usually less than 24 hours.
Dear Lexi, I’ve read many comments about the test & lots of people haven’t had a big problem with it. I know it can be stressful & worrisome!