40 thoughts on “Fit-To-Be-Tied: Hawaii Flights Ultimate Air-Rage Summer”
Moonbaka
I So wish any disruptive passenger would be subject to the fullest extent of the law. This disrespectful behavior should be subject to extreme consequences since it has impacted hundreds of paying passengers and can quite possibly cost them many hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and ruining their vacations or business engagements not to mention the several thousands of dollars that were impacted upon the airlines for such a selfish act. Nothing is for free. If airlines suffer losses, they just add it onto your next ticket price.
This as to stop! I completely support a lifetime ban on people that cannot control themselves in a civilized manner from flying on Any airline. All airlines need to have a central control central center and ban any passengers that have been abusive on any airline from flying, therefore airlines should be working together. Otherwise, the abusive individual can simply book on another airline that hasn’t banned them from past illegal activities.
It’s simply not right that that civilized folk be penalized for such behavior which is how it’s playing out now.
These unruly passengers could be caused by several things, delays and cancelations, cramped seating (and they want to make them smaller), stress, chemical embalance with altitude, alcohol.
Still no reason for them doing it. Hopefully anyone that does this is placed on a no fly list.
No Fly lists are unconstitutional. If a US citizen commits a similar crime on the ground they may serve time, do community service or pay a fine but they aren’t prevented or banned forever from anything. Our system of justice generally allows a second chance. Given that the popular response in many states to serious crimes is release without bail, this knee-jerk reaction to crimes aloft seem out of step with our justice system.
Test passengers for alcohol level – we don’t let drunks drive – so they shouldn’t fly either. As someone said that may take 70% of the problems out of the air. Then deal with drug testing – that may solve a bit more of the problems.
I am all for alcohol testing, but the argument that we don’t let drunks drive, so we shouldn’t let them fly, doesn’t apply here, since they are passengers and not pilots!
Maybe alcohol testing should be standard equipment at the terminal. Airlines have a legal obligation to prevent someone who is intoxicated from boarding airplane. Likewise, travelers that are aware of an intoxicated passenger have an moral obligation to notify the airline.
One tool airlines could use when a passenger appears intoxicated is MedLink. When a passenger is suspected of being sick or physically unable to fly, Airlines call a service known as MedLink. MedLink’s opinion to transport or not transport a passenger based on information relayed by the airline, is a professional opinion that can be used in court if necessary.
Testing a suspected drunk passenger could be performed by airport security and the passenger(s) could be denied boarding If guidelines were in place.
While there are DUI laws, there are drunk drivers on the road every day. Under our laws drunk drivers are only punished after they are caught breaking the law.
I like the idea of zip tying those disruptive violent offender passengers. Also, need to train flight attendants in karate. I’m from a military family.
Rights to respond: Airports & Airlines continued allowance of alcohol use
Aloha ….. testing for intoxication and not allowing intoxicated persons on the planes or serving alcohol on the planes or at the airports would probably reduce incidents of potential violence by at the lease 70% ….. however, the airports and the airlines make money from passenger purchases of alcohol ….. so the airports and the airlines are complicit in the occurrences of this potential violence on planes or in airports ….. until that realization becomes very clear to the airports and the airlines that no amount of money is worth risking passengers, flight attendants, and pilots lives, and all flight personnel and passengers lives will be unnecessarily endangered by promoting and allowing this continued alcohol use.
Thanks for raising this issue again, BOH editors! It may be post pandemic, but the mental health and substance use impacts on us resulting from isolation and loss will be endured for many more years, unfortunately. Behavioral health care access is extremely limited in the US and quality care is even less available. However, there are no excuses for adults behaving this way. Arrest these individuals, get them a psychiatric evaluation and don’t let them fly. ever. Dangerous behavior at 30,000 feet can impact thousands of lives. Not okay. I guarantee that if I witness another passenger behaving badly I will support the flight crew 100%. My sister has endured so much as a flight attendant the past few years. Where are all those federal Marshall’s that flew with us after 9/11? Flight crews exist for our safety (not to serve us) but they deserve a lot more support.
ACLU, less miserable….= what? More space, so less seats but that also equals increased cost. Can’t have one without the other, which is why most airlines have options for seating, if someone is paying for economy, the seat is just that, economy, if that person isn’t happy with it, then buy a seat with more room…there is absolutely a remedy within to control of the person. Airlines have been able to streamline and make flying available to almost everyone, not just the wealthy as it used to be. The problem now is that everyone wants to ride wealthy but not pay, that’s not life. Someone once told me, if you giving out free money, people would complain they had to wait in line…
I agree with the ACLU. The airlines have gotten way too greedy. They pack us in the planes like sardines in a can. If the airlines treat people like animals in a cage, they have to expect a few of them to go berserk.
I think Pam needs to take Jay S post to heart. Americans have become the most obnoxious self-centered, entitled people in the world. We’ve collectively lost our minds and too many boarding airplane intoxicated.
If you can’t afford 1st class or sitting next to a stranger for six hours & be polite, stay home or drive wherever you’re going.
There is the saying about walking in someone else’s shoes,,, we don’t know, other than obvious intoxication, why that person was so enraged to make it necessary to divert an airplane. So many issues flying around these days from political turmoil to long COVID. Marshalls on certain flights might make sense. Bartenders in the airport bars should be trained to look out for irate passengers. It all comes down to money.
Americans current favourite phrase is “You can’t tell me what to do!” (Americans have become the most obnoxious self-centered, entitled people in the world.)
I So wish any disruptive passenger would be subject to the fullest extent of the law. This disrespectful behavior should be subject to extreme consequences since it has impacted hundreds of paying passengers and can quite possibly cost them many hundreds (or thousands) of dollars and ruining their vacations or business engagements not to mention the several thousands of dollars that were impacted upon the airlines for such a selfish act. Nothing is for free. If airlines suffer losses, they just add it onto your next ticket price.
This as to stop! I completely support a lifetime ban on people that cannot control themselves in a civilized manner from flying on Any airline. All airlines need to have a central control central center and ban any passengers that have been abusive on any airline from flying, therefore airlines should be working together. Otherwise, the abusive individual can simply book on another airline that hasn’t banned them from past illegal activities.
It’s simply not right that that civilized folk be penalized for such behavior which is how it’s playing out now.
These unruly passengers could be caused by several things, delays and cancelations, cramped seating (and they want to make them smaller), stress, chemical embalance with altitude, alcohol.
Still no reason for them doing it. Hopefully anyone that does this is placed on a no fly list.
No Fly lists are unconstitutional. If a US citizen commits a similar crime on the ground they may serve time, do community service or pay a fine but they aren’t prevented or banned forever from anything. Our system of justice generally allows a second chance. Given that the popular response in many states to serious crimes is release without bail, this knee-jerk reaction to crimes aloft seem out of step with our justice system.
Being responsible of the community guidelines all I can say is that there is a reason your comments have zero likes sir
*respectful…dang Siri 😂
Chris S,
Were you referring to me? Do you think unruly passengers should be banned for a single error? What about bail reform?
You don’t seem to understand the ACLU’s stance on this issue. It’s not about ‘second chances’ it’s about the right to know why/if you are on the list.
Test passengers for alcohol level – we don’t let drunks drive – so they shouldn’t fly either. As someone said that may take 70% of the problems out of the air. Then deal with drug testing – that may solve a bit more of the problems.
I am all for alcohol testing, but the argument that we don’t let drunks drive, so we shouldn’t let them fly, doesn’t apply here, since they are passengers and not pilots!
Maybe alcohol testing should be standard equipment at the terminal. Airlines have a legal obligation to prevent someone who is intoxicated from boarding airplane. Likewise, travelers that are aware of an intoxicated passenger have an moral obligation to notify the airline.
One tool airlines could use when a passenger appears intoxicated is MedLink. When a passenger is suspected of being sick or physically unable to fly, Airlines call a service known as MedLink. MedLink’s opinion to transport or not transport a passenger based on information relayed by the airline, is a professional opinion that can be used in court if necessary.
Testing a suspected drunk passenger could be performed by airport security and the passenger(s) could be denied boarding If guidelines were in place.
While there are DUI laws, there are drunk drivers on the road every day. Under our laws drunk drivers are only punished after they are caught breaking the law.
I like the idea of zip tying those disruptive violent offender passengers. Also, need to train flight attendants in karate. I’m from a military family.
Rights to respond: Airports & Airlines continued allowance of alcohol use
Aloha ….. testing for intoxication and not allowing intoxicated persons on the planes or serving alcohol on the planes or at the airports would probably reduce incidents of potential violence by at the lease 70% ….. however, the airports and the airlines make money from passenger purchases of alcohol ….. so the airports and the airlines are complicit in the occurrences of this potential violence on planes or in airports ….. until that realization becomes very clear to the airports and the airlines that no amount of money is worth risking passengers, flight attendants, and pilots lives, and all flight personnel and passengers lives will be unnecessarily endangered by promoting and allowing this continued alcohol use.
Thanks for raising this issue again, BOH editors! It may be post pandemic, but the mental health and substance use impacts on us resulting from isolation and loss will be endured for many more years, unfortunately. Behavioral health care access is extremely limited in the US and quality care is even less available. However, there are no excuses for adults behaving this way. Arrest these individuals, get them a psychiatric evaluation and don’t let them fly. ever. Dangerous behavior at 30,000 feet can impact thousands of lives. Not okay. I guarantee that if I witness another passenger behaving badly I will support the flight crew 100%. My sister has endured so much as a flight attendant the past few years. Where are all those federal Marshall’s that flew with us after 9/11? Flight crews exist for our safety (not to serve us) but they deserve a lot more support.
ACLU, less miserable….= what? More space, so less seats but that also equals increased cost. Can’t have one without the other, which is why most airlines have options for seating, if someone is paying for economy, the seat is just that, economy, if that person isn’t happy with it, then buy a seat with more room…there is absolutely a remedy within to control of the person. Airlines have been able to streamline and make flying available to almost everyone, not just the wealthy as it used to be. The problem now is that everyone wants to ride wealthy but not pay, that’s not life. Someone once told me, if you giving out free money, people would complain they had to wait in line…
This is the most relevant commenting should be the most obvious.I wish the ACLU would go on vacation for a long stretch.
I agree with the ACLU. The airlines have gotten way too greedy. They pack us in the planes like sardines in a can. If the airlines treat people like animals in a cage, they have to expect a few of them to go berserk.
I think Pam needs to take Jay S post to heart. Americans have become the most obnoxious self-centered, entitled people in the world. We’ve collectively lost our minds and too many boarding airplane intoxicated.
If you can’t afford 1st class or sitting next to a stranger for six hours & be polite, stay home or drive wherever you’re going.
There is the saying about walking in someone else’s shoes,,, we don’t know, other than obvious intoxication, why that person was so enraged to make it necessary to divert an airplane. So many issues flying around these days from political turmoil to long COVID. Marshalls on certain flights might make sense. Bartenders in the airport bars should be trained to look out for irate passengers. It all comes down to money.
Americans current favourite phrase is “You can’t tell me what to do!” (Americans have become the most obnoxious self-centered, entitled people in the world.)
With all due respect, you don’t have to fly! Just choose to live somewhere you like.
If it only took 100 minutes to travel from Atlanta to Spokane, those MAX 9 planes are much higher performance than I ever realized.
Whatever happens to these people? Probably not much as the incidents continue with no discernable slow down.