With a chilling video. Two events yesterday raised new concerns about Hawaii air rage.
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An attorney should figure out how to represent airlines ,and injured parties(passengers) who lost money, vacation time and, or business opportunities due to a violators actions on an aircraft. Maybe a few class action suits, in addition to the criminal charges would help deter these events
Hello LOPAKA15,
Interesting you wish to see the lawsuits fly (no pun). I thought about that also.
Generally, the problem in these type situations is that with a civil judgement you wind up with a 2001 Volvo with 200,000 miles and, if they are really prosperous, a 30 year old house needing $50,000+ of repairs to meet minimum standards to market it. There are more judgement proof passengers than one might imagine, including those up front in the big seats.
Hit them with felony charges? Take a flight disruption and a bruise or two to a jury in Chicago where 60 people a weekend are shot or worse and I don’t think the jury pool is necessarily going to be too very impressed. The appearance of heavy-handed prosecution can be problematic.
The above aside, I agree these type occurrences are unacceptable and must be dealt with in a serious manner. Given that I think a bit of this is a back-blast from COVID restrictions, I just think lawsuits aren’t quite the best answer. I tend to believe the longer-term solution may well lie with a COVID control effort that is a little more carrot and somewhat less stick.
If you have noticed airline employees are ruder than ever and falling well below previous customer service levels. Their unions whine about customers talking speaking out after receiving poor service. There is still free speech in this country and airline employees should not expect silence from customers they mistreat. Other jobs like teachers, law enforcement officers and firefighters endure verbal abuse and even Real confrontations everyday, but it seems no one is concerned with that. Maybe the airlines should start with being polite to their customers and stop treating them like brianless cattle. That might just correct the issue. Airlines might consider “do not employ list” rather than “no fly list” as a solution.
Maybe if people would stop acting like idiots, sit down, and shut up maybe the flight crew would be less rude.
I get so angry when I hear these stories. People need to follow the rules, comply or stay home. Those of us law abiding and respectful people have a right to enjoy our flights and not worry. I’m glad they are banning alcohol and all airlines should share no fly lists and these lists need to be in place indefinitely.
I give the flight attendants a lot of credit. They aren’t paid enough to deal with idiots.
I think jail time and very large fines should also be a part of the charges against these violent people.
I believe these numbers would be higher or would reflect issues that did not escalate because passengers (like myself) and flight attendants don’t like confrontation. On a recent rt to Hawaii the family across from me were wearing see-through masks which, based on scientific study, serve no purpose other than for the wearer to claim that they were masked. I don’t believe they should have been allowed to board. I said nothing. On the return trip the gentleman to my left wore his mask below his nose the entire flight. Early on I gently pointed out that his mask had slipped and he adjusted it. That didn’t last. The nose was exposed the entire flight . Not wanting to cause an incident, I’ll accept criticism for this), and being fully vaccinated. I did nothing. I am certain there have been many similar cases where the potential for some form of air-rage was averted.
Unruly passengers are certainly an issue, however, there are some flight attendants that should go back to customer service school. When we fly we follow all the rules even checking the placard when the flight crew addresses it on pre flight instruction. Last flight from Hawaii there was a young man, flight attendant, that was very rude prior to take off. So rude that the other female flight attendants told him to leave and they would take care of the situation. Perhaps the airlines should look into retraining their flight attendants how to diffuse a situation instead of starting it.
I can tell you why many of these incidents are occurring – lack of respect for people and authority. As a child I was taught, by my parents, to respect people and authority and I followed these rules for over 70 years. As a child I was taught to call my elders and people in authority as Mister or Misses and to say yes sir or no sir, yes ma’am or no ma’am. Younger people have not been taught this these days and now we have these incidents.
So if you want these incident to stop, start teaching respect for authority and people.
As an “elder” if I act disrespectfully I don’t expect others to disregard abhorrent behavior because I’ve managed not to die in 7 decades. Growing old may entitle one to expect some courtesies to lighten our load, but respect is based on actions and character, not longevity.
But nothing gives you the right to act like tbat towards other people. If we did half what these young kids do now we would have gotten beat.
Aloha,
My husband and I went to Maui on the beginning on September. So wonderful! We flew on Hawaiian air. I finished my free meal and I was watching a movie, I forgot all about putting my mask back. A flight attendant very politely reminded me. I apologized and put it back on. The flight attendants are wonderful. We love Hawaiian Airlines, they have wonderful service.
Completely beyond me why alcohol is still being served on aircraft with all these issues. Its almost as if they are going to need to do breathalyzers before people board. Geesh. Smarten up people. Stop the booze, before someone dies.
Undoubtedly an unfortunate event. One of many it seems these days.
Some of it may be alcohol, some social adjustment issues, and some mental disorders. Those have been with air travel since the Wright Brothers.
But I think the relatively quick increase in such things as reported herein is largely tied to increasing frustrations with COVID and the widely disparate interpretations of the benefits of restrictive policies imposed as a result. These outburst are the highly visible sparkles of something bubbling up in men and women who increasingly have simply had enough of the “COVID Commandos” and the whipsaw of on-again off-again policies that appear to be accomplishing very little. Every animal has a limit when pressed and confused – some before others – and these are some of the first to turn and bite.
I do not suggest they are correct nor justified in what they do. They are not.
I do suggest, however, we have certainly not witnessed the last nor the worst of it.
When you mention “Covid-commandos,” I assume you are referring to those insisting you follow Covid safety guidelines at all times and are sufficiently community minded and confident to remind those who are annoyed at the necessary actions, masking, social distancing. etc., to follow the safety guidelines meant in a large part to protect other people than you. I think you should consider another description of those willing to invite vitriol from those who have chosen to endanger others and thus delay the full opening if our economy that, remembering that Wall Street is not the economy, cannot efficiently function with well over 100,000,000 Americans refusing the same philosophical little jab that ended polio, smallpox the measles and many other diseases. These are the patriotic Americans trying to help their country recover from a horrendous disease that you label Covid commandos.
Hello Tony,
Thank you for the reply.
I use the term “COVID commandos” in the sense that more than a few in our society are going out of their normal behavioral envelope to attempt to impose upon others that which the others find without firm basis. I actually think the others are in good find with finding little firm basis. This is due to (1) conflicting information, (2) the failures in obtaining substantial progress retarding the spread of the virus, and (3)the quick and vicious stigmatization of those in non-conformity, whatever their reason.
We are 18 months into the 15 day flatten the curve. Wear mask – don’t need mask – wear 2 mask. Six feet apart – no six feet apart. Everything back to normal by July 4 – except it isn’t. Vaccines prevent COVID (Presidential announcement) – vaccines last 1 year – then 8 months – then 6 months – now 5 months. Some boosters – not all get boosters. CDC Director overrides advisory panel. Get the vaccine or lose your employment. Mask for you- but not for them.
What to believe? What is true? And why?
Most important of all, who is to say?
I have never seen so much anger displayed due to simple rules such as keeping a mask up over your nose. Its a health issue. Just follow the rules. You are Not entitled to any special treatment in the air. I think the airlines need to crack down and hard. No fly lists should all be shared. One incident and your banned at least for a year. There also needs to be heavy fines and jail time
Here’s an idea, stop the mask mandates and you stop the anxiety. There are no peer reviewed published studies that show masks work, in fact just the opposite. I painted a room with a paint sprayer a few months ago, and guess what, I had paint on the inside and outside of the mask. 3 guess how that happened?!? Masks don’t prevent viruses. My dad wore a mask whenever he went out and he still got covid and died in June. People need to wake up.
Masks are not fool proof, but reduce the odds of contracting and spreading disease.
med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html
So if masks don’t work will you tell your medical team no to wear them if you ever have an operation?
Surgical masks are to prevent the spread of GERMS-bacteria (remember those things?) that can enter and cause bacterial infections in the patient’s body interior when they are exposed without skin protecting them. The whole idea is to create and maintain sterile environment. They are not being worn to prevent viral spread – which at least in the case of COVID is respiratory. Maybe they also cut down a bit in the amount of viral particles that the personnel breathe out.
If I had to be cut open and operated on, I would want that to take place in a sterile environment, which includes those surgical masks on the attending personnel. I would be foolish to think that those masks will protect me from catching COVID from those same personnel.
I don’t know about you, but most face covers I see out there in public are not surgical masks, N-95, etc. They are pieces of cotton cloth fabric with people breathing in and about all sides and especially the tops of them. This describes mine, too. I doubt they do much COVID filtering; maybe sneeze-coughs are at least redirected out the sides, for what that’s worth.
There are more than a dozen peer-reviewed published studies showing that mask wearing reduces SARS-CoV-2 infection risk. So far as I know there are two randomized clinical trials, only one of which is currently peer reviewed and published. The Danish study showed a non-significant 18% relative risk reduction and the Yale/Bangladesh study showed a significant 9% risk reduction in symptomatic infection with surgical but not cloth masks.
Is the “risk reduction” to the person wearing it or to others that the person is around?
I vaguely recall being lectured by a government bureaucrat way back when that masks don’t protect the wearer, but instead “protect” people around the wearer. Did that narrative change when I wasn’t paying attention?
How the heck are 18% or 9% calculated? And I would think a true study/trial would require a non-mask-wearing control group exposed to the same amount of virus and in the same environment as mask-wearers and in statistically relevant numbers. Is that what happened in these studies/trials you refer to?
Im very sorry for your loss.
Yes, a big befuddled mystery surrounding masks,and everything else.
If we are respectful of others,these things do not hapoen.
Simple golden rule.
Aloha! Another idea is that people who choose not to follow the rules of an airline, or any company, should stay home or frequent establishments that don’t care about their fellow man.
To live in a polite society there have always been rules so we can live in harmony.
here is an idea. Follow the rules or stay off planes. I wear a mask 8-10 hours 5 days a week and its never caused me one issue.
So, because you have no issue, PaulC, that means what exactly? Right, absolutely nothing…since everyone is different, and there are people with health conditions that don’t allow them to wear a mask at all, let alone 8-10 hours a day, or in the hot and humid conditions that persist outdoors in Hawaii. 🤷♂️
And there are exemptions available for all those. Never said there wasn’t. I know several who cannot get vaccinated. Not sure of hat point your trying to make