Hawaii Covid cases and deaths have skyrocketed again on September 10th, after falling earlier in the week. Reported were 741 new cases and 8 deaths. The rise in deaths is raising the daily average death rate to 5 people, which is the second highest of the pandemic. Anyone planning to visit should pay attention to the daily death rate as the government might pass additional rules as deaths increase.
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sean
Because the rules are working…. Should we go down to 2 people gatherings? Make the kids sit in the car?
Restaurants and retail were already limited to 50% (even though the rule was 75%) Because of distancing, most were stuck at 50%.
More mask mandates?… Other than outdoors, where else should we throw a mask on?
Oahu had roughly 50 more deaths in 2020 than 2019. Maui had fewer deaths in 2020 than 2019. I haven’t looked, but am curious how this year is panning out?
Maui has a whopping 27 people in the hospital with C19.. 7 vaccinated (26% for the mathematically impaired)2 in the ICU and 1 on a Ventilator… look out the sky is falling… Actually it never fell, because Maui had roughly 34-37 people tops, in the hospital, with C19 this summer.
Remember when Victorino was touting the local company making ventilators on Maui? Yeah Maui never need them… I don’t think our ventilator count ever got above 50% total. Forget about the 3 or 4 people on a vent w/Covid.
Face it… Covid is very serious for a relatively identifiable group of people. As for the rest, it’s been one huge overraction. Yes the Country had 650k thousand deaths in 18 months.. (depending on how you view deaths from Covid.. Face it, not all were legit Covid induced deaths). And when we hit 700k deaths sometime next year, that represents 0.2 percent of the US population. The US would have had roughly 2.9 million deaths in 2020. We had 3.2million… AND… did any of the measures really stop anything?
With the “disastrous” spike this August and September. The State of Hawaii had roughly 130 more patients admitted, at it’s peak, than the 318 last summer… Look out..
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Debra W
You can be dead right, but you’re still dead. You can throw around all the stats you wish, but until it’s you or someone you love dying on a ventilator or is a long hauler, you’ll never understand or even want to.
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Jamie L.
at an average age of 80 or so
more years were lost to lockdowns than to covid deaths, its indisputable
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Liam G
Trying to figure out how Israel has the highest vax rate and yet have the highest infection rate by almost double the USA. Hmmm also why is their infection rate going straight up since 25 percent of the people have gotten the booster over the last 6 weeks.Huh odd I mean a flu shot this year with last year vaccine would work well I’m sure against this new flu right?Why invent a delta shot when you have all this original covid vaccine worth over 35 billion sitting around that doesn’t work against delta.
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Roy h
I was reading an article in the NYT that said Israel has a very large Orthodox population. It seems that they are getting good vaccine rates from 61% of the population. However 39% of the population which identify themselves as Orthodox Jewish or Muslim are causing a good deal of grievance in Israel. Because they are not getting vaccinated the virus is running rampant through those populations.
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Dave J
Aloha,
Wow, I disagree with the most recent posts of those who mention unfriendly residents and a wasted, bad vacation. I live in L.A., and I am very Fortunate to visit Hawaii twice a year.
Was just there in July/August, was there December/January earlier.
It’s 99% you. If you come to The North Shore or Waikiki or Kualoa or Pear Harbor, show respect. Be gracious. Learn some of the history and appreciate the beauty of that history and of the island around you.
A huge Mahalo to our friends at all the places we visit from Kuhuku to Keneohe to Honolulu and Haliewa.
Thanks for the best vacations everytime 🙂
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Danise H
Finally,,,please get your shots.
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Kari H.
Hi All –
Thank you for the update and all the comments. Very helpful!
We are a family of 6 (all adults) travelling to the Big Island Oct 16-25.
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether we should cancel?
My son in law is concerned about venues being restricted/shut down; and my husband is concerned about rental cars.
The rest of us are just happy with the resort and beach :).
Any input would be appreciated.
Thank you!
Beat of Hawaii
Hi Kari.
That’s a personal decision, while others will and have already provided their input. Rental cars are not generally an issue at this time. Do you already have a reservation? In any event, do keep checking prices to the last moment as they have been rapidly declining.
Aloha.
James S
Go to Caymen Island instead or Aruba No crime better beaches No shark attacks & even cheaper too,
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Leslie
Cancel cancel cancel! People unfriendly and nothing available
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EG
We were there in April. All we did was snorkel, beach and drive around the island to different attractions. The big island is full of things to do that do not include being around gobs of other people. We were there 2 weeks. It was awesome. We also had a condo with a kitchen so we hardly ate out. If your family can enjoy the outdoors and some time touring the island, I’d still recommend going
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Lisa
we did the same and didn’t eat inside restaurants. we did take out.
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Karen G
Information here is helpful
I’m looking for Hawaii vacation in February
I keep checking for Covid predictions but too early I guess.
What to do?
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Tana G
I would not be so selfish to travel anywhere without several masks and the covid vaccine. Not about to put anyone at risk. I’ll be on Kauai in a few days and I hope visitors and locals are doing what they can to protect all and I don’t expect a lock down. Have reservations for a few activities, hopefully they will still be operating. On return some of us must be tested before returning to our daily lives, don’t like it but safety first.
kauaidoug
Aloha,
If anyone has questions about this or that operating or not, call your vendor. If you are vaccinated you will not be competing with the local covidiots who have not been vaccinated. (Gov’s concern)
Please, before some of you post things like “all the locals” or “everywhere we went” think about your hometown. Are you neighbors a little stressed? Are some of your local eateries cutting back on hours due to no employees? Yes , we are lucky enough to live in Hawaii but we are facing added stress because all your unhappy neighbors want to come here! Thank you, but we are human, too.
Whatever you decide Hawaii will be waiting.
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Mike
Lots of miscommunication, Hypocrisy, disinformation, ignorance and silliness.
I’ve been following BOH since 2019… When I first scheduled my multi-family trip to Hawaii. Plus, I’ve been following Hawaii’s official COVID cases & Vax charts and Airlines Passenger arrivals. It’s been quite interesting.
Lots of fingers pointing is all the wrong directions….
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Judy L.
The real science shows being vaccinated does not make you immune, stop you from getting infected or transmitting COVID-19. Not requiring a pretest from vaccinated visitors and returning residents was just a disaster waiting to happen. It takes just one asymptomatic vaccinated passenger to infect the entire plane and everyone they came in contact with on the island to cause the uptick in cases. The Governor should have followed the real science, not the state backed science to keep everyone safer. What was he thinking?
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John B.
Maybe because the pharma companies are making millions through government mandates which reach political pockets
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Lula D
Vaccinated or not you need to protect yourself and others
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Debra W
He wasn’t…..seems to be a pattern.
Jim R.
“It takes just one asymptomatic vaccinated passenger to infect the entire plane…”
Judy, this could be easily tracked via contact tracing, since they have access to every passenger on every flight, and it definitely would be plastered all over prime time, if it does happen.This hypothetical is definitely over-dramatized, and not based in fact at all. It’s technically just more misinformation.
Your “one asymptomatic vaccinated passenger” (vaccinated is actually irrelevant) would have to literally come in direct contact with every passenger, along with other variables, and the likelyhood of that alone is virtually impossible. On top of that, the infected person would have to not be wearing a mask while doing so, which is required by all airlines, except while eating and drinking in their seats. Truthfully, it’s not a guarantee they will transmit the virus whether they do wear a mask or not; however, wearing a mask does the most for an asymptomatic carrier, by helping them to not transmit the virus.
Besides the previous, it’s (again) virtually impossible for an entire plane to get infected, as the entirety of the cabin air is filtered by a HEPA filtration system, and replaced with outside air, every 2-3 minutes. It’s nearly as safe as being in a hospital operating room.
I do agree with several of your points, but let’s not over-dramatize them with improbable or virtually impossible hypotheticals. Let’s stick common sense and factual data.
John G
So Mayor Victorino,
So you encourage the wealthy to come visit and in the next paragraph tell the poor plebs not to come and exploit your island?
When the elite sophisticated rich come they are not exploiting your island but when some hard working blue collar folks visit they are?
Sounds like something i heard concerning the disrace of an ex president, obama, holding a super spreader party for hundreds of people. The comenter said that they would be fine because the guests are “sophisticated.”
When are you hard working folks in hawaii gonna realize that your politicians think the same thing about you?
I love Hawaii, and the people and visit often but my money isnt good enough now?
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Richard C
JOHN G
Are you posting your comment about the Mike Victorino parody that I wrote earlier in this tread. I wrote as part of the parody that Maui only wanted rich people and island exploiting cheap condo vacationers should stay home.
It’s called sarcastic humor.
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Liam G
This has been in the works for a while. Visitor counts have gone up drastically over the years but rev per visit went down to like 186/per daily. One proposal during the pandemic meetings was to add a 40 percent visitor tax to get the number of visitors down around 6 million versus the 10 plus that had been coming. Many people are staying at air bnb etc and eat in which has reduced spending considerably yet caused more congestion and strain on resources. So look for more taxes and expenses like park fees parking fees extra flight fees. Now I see places like Marriott with $45 resort fee then a 14.95 internet fee. Then you. An rent a chair by the pool parking is $50. That’s why I stay at the kahala they don’t charge this garbage and it’s 10 time the place of any other.
MaurW
It’s interesting that tourists were told not to come, and many people cancelled, myself included. And now the people are complaining about loss of business and income. Not sure what you expected. Maybe the residents now, with this slowdown, will take the time to get vaccinated and make the state safe for everyone to enjoy again.
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Cindy
We travel to Hawaii five times a year, mostly Oahu as we have a condo there. We also usually love to visit Maui often and the Big Island occasionally as we also have a timeshare. With the attitude that has been so loudly proclaimed I feel as though my money might be better spent elsewhere. Additionally the tourists and visitors are not to blame for the rising Covid cases. That has been confirmed by the Lt. Governor and others many times. On Oahu I can tell you it’s being spread by huge gatherings of local residents each weekend seen gathering on the beaches. As a visitor we are vaccinated and have done our part.
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Kainoa'o
Well said absolutely pono, right!!! We need our tourists, 80% of us rely on you. We are so sorry for some of our uncouth leaders!! It’s embarrassing especially being working here in the hospitality industry for 30 years. Please “no ke kala Ê»ana” and mahalo for visiting and look forward to you coming back. Warmest Aloha!
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Deetch
Can you explain how the un-vaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed?
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Sue L.
“Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories,” says Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
The current vaccines protect well against all the variants so far, but that could change at any moment. That’s why doctors and public health officials want more people to get vaccinated.
“The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply,” Schaffner said.
“When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road.”
“The more we allow the virus to spread, the more opportunity the virus has to change,” the World Health Organization advised last month.Viruses that don’t spread cannot mutate.
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John B.
The only thing mutating is the baseless information being put out on a daily routine
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kauaidoug
Aloha Deetsh
I think you have that turned around. The vaxxed are a threat to the unvaxxed because as a vaxxed you can still transmit the disease to unvaxxed. The people in the hospitals now are unvaxxed. It is for the unvaxxed that I, as vaxxed, still wear a mask, still social distance. You realize if all were vaxxed none of us would still be putting up with all this craziness. Lots of empty beaches waiting for the vaxxed here on Kauai. Plenty people enjoying themselves despite our Governor. However, it is true that now the local population is much like the rest of the mainland in that there is community spread. We have been and are, vigilant. Mahalo
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Liam G
State was safe until they lifted 72 hour testing. Why they did that is anyone’s guess. They were already complaining there were too many people. It also have locals the signal that all is well just do what you want.
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Hawaii Covid cases and deaths have skyrocketed again on September 10th, after falling earlier in the week. Reported were 741 new cases and 8 deaths. The rise in deaths is raising the daily average death rate to 5 people, which is the second highest of the pandemic. Anyone planning to visit should pay attention to the daily death rate as the government might pass additional rules as deaths increase.
Because the rules are working…. Should we go down to 2 people gatherings? Make the kids sit in the car?
Restaurants and retail were already limited to 50% (even though the rule was 75%) Because of distancing, most were stuck at 50%.
More mask mandates?… Other than outdoors, where else should we throw a mask on?
Oahu had roughly 50 more deaths in 2020 than 2019. Maui had fewer deaths in 2020 than 2019. I haven’t looked, but am curious how this year is panning out?
Maui has a whopping 27 people in the hospital with C19.. 7 vaccinated (26% for the mathematically impaired)2 in the ICU and 1 on a Ventilator… look out the sky is falling… Actually it never fell, because Maui had roughly 34-37 people tops, in the hospital, with C19 this summer.
Remember when Victorino was touting the local company making ventilators on Maui? Yeah Maui never need them… I don’t think our ventilator count ever got above 50% total. Forget about the 3 or 4 people on a vent w/Covid.
Face it… Covid is very serious for a relatively identifiable group of people. As for the rest, it’s been one huge overraction. Yes the Country had 650k thousand deaths in 18 months.. (depending on how you view deaths from Covid.. Face it, not all were legit Covid induced deaths). And when we hit 700k deaths sometime next year, that represents 0.2 percent of the US population. The US would have had roughly 2.9 million deaths in 2020. We had 3.2million… AND… did any of the measures really stop anything?
With the “disastrous” spike this August and September. The State of Hawaii had roughly 130 more patients admitted, at it’s peak, than the 318 last summer… Look out..
You can be dead right, but you’re still dead. You can throw around all the stats you wish, but until it’s you or someone you love dying on a ventilator or is a long hauler, you’ll never understand or even want to.
at an average age of 80 or so
more years were lost to lockdowns than to covid deaths, its indisputable
Trying to figure out how Israel has the highest vax rate and yet have the highest infection rate by almost double the USA. Hmmm also why is their infection rate going straight up since 25 percent of the people have gotten the booster over the last 6 weeks.Huh odd I mean a flu shot this year with last year vaccine would work well I’m sure against this new flu right?Why invent a delta shot when you have all this original covid vaccine worth over 35 billion sitting around that doesn’t work against delta.
I was reading an article in the NYT that said Israel has a very large Orthodox population. It seems that they are getting good vaccine rates from 61% of the population. However 39% of the population which identify themselves as Orthodox Jewish or Muslim are causing a good deal of grievance in Israel. Because they are not getting vaccinated the virus is running rampant through those populations.
Aloha,
Wow, I disagree with the most recent posts of those who mention unfriendly residents and a wasted, bad vacation. I live in L.A., and I am very Fortunate to visit Hawaii twice a year.
Was just there in July/August, was there December/January earlier.
It’s 99% you. If you come to The North Shore or Waikiki or Kualoa or Pear Harbor, show respect. Be gracious. Learn some of the history and appreciate the beauty of that history and of the island around you.
A huge Mahalo to our friends at all the places we visit from Kuhuku to Keneohe to Honolulu and Haliewa.
Thanks for the best vacations everytime 🙂
Finally,,,please get your shots.
Hi All –
Thank you for the update and all the comments. Very helpful!
We are a family of 6 (all adults) travelling to the Big Island Oct 16-25.
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether we should cancel?
My son in law is concerned about venues being restricted/shut down; and my husband is concerned about rental cars.
The rest of us are just happy with the resort and beach :).
Any input would be appreciated.
Thank you!
Hi Kari.
That’s a personal decision, while others will and have already provided their input. Rental cars are not generally an issue at this time. Do you already have a reservation? In any event, do keep checking prices to the last moment as they have been rapidly declining.
Aloha.
Go to Caymen Island instead or Aruba No crime better beaches No shark attacks & even cheaper too,
Cancel cancel cancel! People unfriendly and nothing available
We were there in April. All we did was snorkel, beach and drive around the island to different attractions. The big island is full of things to do that do not include being around gobs of other people. We were there 2 weeks. It was awesome. We also had a condo with a kitchen so we hardly ate out. If your family can enjoy the outdoors and some time touring the island, I’d still recommend going
we did the same and didn’t eat inside restaurants. we did take out.
Information here is helpful
I’m looking for Hawaii vacation in February
I keep checking for Covid predictions but too early I guess.
What to do?
I would not be so selfish to travel anywhere without several masks and the covid vaccine. Not about to put anyone at risk. I’ll be on Kauai in a few days and I hope visitors and locals are doing what they can to protect all and I don’t expect a lock down. Have reservations for a few activities, hopefully they will still be operating. On return some of us must be tested before returning to our daily lives, don’t like it but safety first.
Aloha,
If anyone has questions about this or that operating or not, call your vendor. If you are vaccinated you will not be competing with the local covidiots who have not been vaccinated. (Gov’s concern)
Please, before some of you post things like “all the locals” or “everywhere we went” think about your hometown. Are you neighbors a little stressed? Are some of your local eateries cutting back on hours due to no employees? Yes , we are lucky enough to live in Hawaii but we are facing added stress because all your unhappy neighbors want to come here! Thank you, but we are human, too.
Whatever you decide Hawaii will be waiting.
Lots of miscommunication, Hypocrisy, disinformation, ignorance and silliness.
I’ve been following BOH since 2019… When I first scheduled my multi-family trip to Hawaii. Plus, I’ve been following Hawaii’s official COVID cases & Vax charts and Airlines Passenger arrivals. It’s been quite interesting.
Lots of fingers pointing is all the wrong directions….
The real science shows being vaccinated does not make you immune, stop you from getting infected or transmitting COVID-19. Not requiring a pretest from vaccinated visitors and returning residents was just a disaster waiting to happen. It takes just one asymptomatic vaccinated passenger to infect the entire plane and everyone they came in contact with on the island to cause the uptick in cases. The Governor should have followed the real science, not the state backed science to keep everyone safer. What was he thinking?
Maybe because the pharma companies are making millions through government mandates which reach political pockets
Vaccinated or not you need to protect yourself and others
He wasn’t…..seems to be a pattern.
“It takes just one asymptomatic vaccinated passenger to infect the entire plane…”
Judy, this could be easily tracked via contact tracing, since they have access to every passenger on every flight, and it definitely would be plastered all over prime time, if it does happen.This hypothetical is definitely over-dramatized, and not based in fact at all. It’s technically just more misinformation.
Your “one asymptomatic vaccinated passenger” (vaccinated is actually irrelevant) would have to literally come in direct contact with every passenger, along with other variables, and the likelyhood of that alone is virtually impossible. On top of that, the infected person would have to not be wearing a mask while doing so, which is required by all airlines, except while eating and drinking in their seats. Truthfully, it’s not a guarantee they will transmit the virus whether they do wear a mask or not; however, wearing a mask does the most for an asymptomatic carrier, by helping them to not transmit the virus.
Besides the previous, it’s (again) virtually impossible for an entire plane to get infected, as the entirety of the cabin air is filtered by a HEPA filtration system, and replaced with outside air, every 2-3 minutes. It’s nearly as safe as being in a hospital operating room.
I do agree with several of your points, but let’s not over-dramatize them with improbable or virtually impossible hypotheticals. Let’s stick common sense and factual data.
So Mayor Victorino,
So you encourage the wealthy to come visit and in the next paragraph tell the poor plebs not to come and exploit your island?
When the elite sophisticated rich come they are not exploiting your island but when some hard working blue collar folks visit they are?
Sounds like something i heard concerning the disrace of an ex president, obama, holding a super spreader party for hundreds of people. The comenter said that they would be fine because the guests are “sophisticated.”
When are you hard working folks in hawaii gonna realize that your politicians think the same thing about you?
I love Hawaii, and the people and visit often but my money isnt good enough now?
JOHN G
Are you posting your comment about the Mike Victorino parody that I wrote earlier in this tread. I wrote as part of the parody that Maui only wanted rich people and island exploiting cheap condo vacationers should stay home.
It’s called sarcastic humor.
This has been in the works for a while. Visitor counts have gone up drastically over the years but rev per visit went down to like 186/per daily. One proposal during the pandemic meetings was to add a 40 percent visitor tax to get the number of visitors down around 6 million versus the 10 plus that had been coming. Many people are staying at air bnb etc and eat in which has reduced spending considerably yet caused more congestion and strain on resources. So look for more taxes and expenses like park fees parking fees extra flight fees. Now I see places like Marriott with $45 resort fee then a 14.95 internet fee. Then you. An rent a chair by the pool parking is $50. That’s why I stay at the kahala they don’t charge this garbage and it’s 10 time the place of any other.
It’s interesting that tourists were told not to come, and many people cancelled, myself included. And now the people are complaining about loss of business and income. Not sure what you expected. Maybe the residents now, with this slowdown, will take the time to get vaccinated and make the state safe for everyone to enjoy again.
We travel to Hawaii five times a year, mostly Oahu as we have a condo there. We also usually love to visit Maui often and the Big Island occasionally as we also have a timeshare. With the attitude that has been so loudly proclaimed I feel as though my money might be better spent elsewhere. Additionally the tourists and visitors are not to blame for the rising Covid cases. That has been confirmed by the Lt. Governor and others many times. On Oahu I can tell you it’s being spread by huge gatherings of local residents each weekend seen gathering on the beaches. As a visitor we are vaccinated and have done our part.
Well said absolutely pono, right!!! We need our tourists, 80% of us rely on you. We are so sorry for some of our uncouth leaders!! It’s embarrassing especially being working here in the hospitality industry for 30 years. Please “no ke kala Ê»ana” and mahalo for visiting and look forward to you coming back. Warmest Aloha!
Can you explain how the un-vaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed?
“Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories,” says Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
The current vaccines protect well against all the variants so far, but that could change at any moment. That’s why doctors and public health officials want more people to get vaccinated.
“The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply,” Schaffner said.
“When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road.”
“The more we allow the virus to spread, the more opportunity the virus has to change,” the World Health Organization advised last month.Viruses that don’t spread cannot mutate.
The only thing mutating is the baseless information being put out on a daily routine
Aloha Deetsh
I think you have that turned around. The vaxxed are a threat to the unvaxxed because as a vaxxed you can still transmit the disease to unvaxxed. The people in the hospitals now are unvaxxed. It is for the unvaxxed that I, as vaxxed, still wear a mask, still social distance. You realize if all were vaxxed none of us would still be putting up with all this craziness. Lots of empty beaches waiting for the vaxxed here on Kauai. Plenty people enjoying themselves despite our Governor. However, it is true that now the local population is much like the rest of the mainland in that there is community spread. We have been and are, vigilant. Mahalo
State was safe until they lifted 72 hour testing. Why they did that is anyone’s guess. They were already complaining there were too many people. It also have locals the signal that all is well just do what you want.