Flight Attendants, Pilots, and Others Head To Court As ACLU Says Vaccines Are Justifiable.
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Um, I’m not comfortable with a pilot having coronary issues.
A lot of comments in this thread are very subjective. If one person experienced mild symptoms it not a forgone conclusion that everyone else will as well. My dear friend, a nurse working in the COVID ward, called to say she “bagged” her 6th patient by the end of her shift today. These recent ones were unvaccinated. In a whispery voice she admitted that she “just can’t take this much longer”. I expect she’ll quit her job soon.
There’s no reason to force this vaccine. It only protects those that are vaccinated. Vaccinated people still transmit the virus so it shouldn’t matter if you’re vaccinated or not. Don’t force it on the airline employees!
Fortunately airline employee’s are held to a higher standard then the general public. Safety is critically the number one focus, and for that reason air travel is very safe.
A vaccinated employee group is safer then an unvaccinated one.
Employee’s that think they know better undermine the safety culture just like soldiers that think what they read on Facebook justifies disobeying orders.
We would not be here today if it were not for the unvaccinated. We have new variants because of this and who knows what other type of variants there will be. This information coming from immunologist.
I’m a Christian #1, and a Licensed Hawaii M.D. #2. I don’t think that any pilot with known coronary artery disease should be flying passenger planes, or any planes. It’s stressful enough already; the thought of one trying to fly a plane, if they were to have a heart attack while doing so, is not a safe practice, to say the least.
That old saw, “If God had meant for man to fly, he would have given him wings” comes to mind. It has been a long time since I cracked open a bible, but I don’t recall any mention of vaccinations. I do remember a lot about caring for others, though. To be fair, I did just skim a lot of it.
I’m vaccinated but I don’t believe in forcing people to be vaccinated for Covid, flu, or anything else. It’s their personal business. I don’t hold them responsible for my health. All I care about from my pilot is if s/he can fly. My body, my choice, right? Or is that argument only for other situations? At least be consistent. I’ll gladly fly Hawaiian and I’m behind these employees’ rights 100%.
Next week, I will be on an airplane for several hours, and I would like to know my crew is vaccinated.If it affects others, it is not “personal business”. And yes, “My body, my choice” is for other situations where “my choice” only affects your body, and does not affect my or anyone else’s body or health.
But the “my body my choice” argument actually does effect someone else as the DNA is different than the body carrying it. So that argument is moot. Regardless, what does it matter if the flight attendants or pilot are vaccinated when the virus doesn’t care if your vaccinated or not, it’s coming for you and everyone can still spread it. Just because it personally gives you “piece of mind” doesn’t make it right to force someone to do something against their will.
I don’t have that choice if I want to get on a plane why should they? Nobody is forcing them they have the choice. And this nobody should be forced to do something against their will nonsense. It is now a condition of employment like safety training or first aid. I don’t want to wear pants or wear a seatbelt is that OK?
The seatbelt protects you, and you alone. That is a choice you make to protect your OWN life. Just like the vaccine is a choice you make to protect your OWN life. Now everyone is being told what is best for their own bodies and health by the government and then enforced by their employer, and half the country thinks this is ok. Crazy town.
Exactly! The vaccine only protects the one vaccinated!!! It has nothing to do with others. Stop the mandates!
SD,
Science is a book on established incontrovertible facts. Somewhere in the book of science (published by CNN) is that a person’s shots don’t work unless everyone else gets their own shots. That pilot behind the cockpit door?? – His lack of shots renders ineffective the past, present and future shots of all passengers. You need to Science harder. Follow it on Twitter.
Here is a reference that shows both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can transfer the virus to others. There appears to be no increase in the viral load in each. So, with this said, people should have the choice of getting or not getting vaccinated. The vaccine has been proven to decrease the severity of the disease only in the person who has been vaccinated. Please red this article:
ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people
The problem with my body my choice is this a pandemic people. The unvaccinated are completely responsible for all of this. When you don’t vaccinate and people keep getting sick then variants mutate. This variant would not have happened if most would have gotten vaccinated. You also need to remember the immunosuppressive community. They have no choice. They have already had to stay in doors because of this pandemic because it could literally kill them. This comes from an immunologist
From your statements, the only way for variants not to occur is if the entire world would have been vaccinated all at once, at the very same time. That actually may be true if the vaccines were 100% effective, which we know is not the case with COVID vaccines. As a virus replicates, or makes copies of itself, it is normal for small changes, or “mutations,” to occur. It is therefore inevitable that variants will occur.
Not flying Hawaiian with pilots like this one.
Kathryn, check out US Freedom Flyers…You won’t want to fly on any airline.
Hawaiian has fewer of these types then many other airlines. AA and SWA seem to lead the pack in putting politics over professionalism, but even there it’s a minority of the pilots. Back in Oct the pilot unions at those carriers issued a warning that vaccine conflicts amongst the flight crews was effecting their professionalism.
We have witnessed:
If you question the efficacy of masks, you don’t care whether vulnerable elderly citizens die. If you challenge school lockdowns, you want teachers to become sick and suffer. If you question the COVID vaccines because of your God, you are a radical anti-vaxxer.
The fact is viruses don’t care about your religion, morality, or self assurances.
“It is the certainty that they possess the truth that makes men cruel.”
― Anatole France
When you take on the responsibility of being an airline pilot it means you have to follow rules and meet certain medical requirements. The personal freedom argument is weak here. Religion and “I did the research” even worse since the antivax argument depends primarily on proven misinformation. Pilots are supposed to have the judgement to figure that out…and the professionalism to rise above politics when in the cockpit.
I have no problem with Hawaiian pilot’s not being vaccinated as long as they hear N95 masks when they are not in the cockpit.