31 thoughts on “Honolulu Flight Diversions This Week Raise Unruly Passenger Questions”
Frank P.
I’m still waiting for the national I’m An Immature Jerk No-Fly List. I know it is hard to put someone on a national list for “causing a disturbance” (is Delta’s threshold the same as United’s and the same as Hawaiian’s?), but once a complaint is sent to the FAA, TSA, or FBI, put them on a provisional list and if convicted or found liable make it permanent. Why should the rest of us be put in danger, or inconvenienced, because some clown can’t accept that rules apply to them and they think they Must be allowed to have another drink/enter the cockpit/exit the plane mid-flight?
Huh? Zip-tied but not detained once on ground; restrained in air but not detained once on ground; or tried to breach cockpit? A No-tolerance policy? Violation of FAA (Federal) rules? Doesn’t sound like it to me. They should all have been detained by US Marshall, turned over to FBI, charged as appropriate and tried in Fed court. I’ll bet that most would plead out and then fined and placed on a never-fly-with-any-US airlines list. But with a 5% prosecution probability it’s understandable why talk alone isn’t a deterrent. There has to be enforcement of the rules! Maybe if that were done and publicized it would become a little less of a problem. IMO. Jim
So sad that it has come to this. There is no reason for any unruly behaviors during any flight. If you have mental health issues then you need to choose an alternative mode of transportation in which you will not endanger the lives of others. I definitely agree with this policy.
Aloha, Mahalo all Island bound flights, we’ve never had an incident in the last 20 years on our way in or out.
That being said, I agree that there should be zero tolerance on unruly passengers and while 99% of the floght attendants we’ve encountered, there was 2 who were actually the cause of the disturbances while in flight. One airline in particular, we witnessed an attendant needle several passengers and one finally exploded (no pun intended) and caused a ruckus, simply because the attendant was having a bad day. Even keel sho8ld be kept by ALL, including flight crew. These are very difficult times, very expensive to travel and with delays and cancelations a modern problem, we need to look at how we all can benefit by cooler heads.
I worked for TSA for 16 years and a lot of the same stuff goes on at the checkpoints. Most of it gets swept under the rug or management wants to keep it quiet and not be on the news. No body likes bad press.
Thankfully I have never been on a flight where a passenger has become disruptive. However I would have zero tolerance for anyone acting like a jerk and definitely feel they should be fined, prosecuted and banned for life from every airline not just the one the incident occurred on, never to fly again.
Passengers pay out a lot of dollars for seats expecting to arrive at their destination safe and sound of mind. The flight crew and attendants really are to be commended for the high amount of stress involved with keeping passengers safe and happy. Unfortunately too many individuals these days have no respect for their attendants and pilots. FAA has implemented fines and protocol for the safety of all. Please, fellow passengers, do your part to add to an enjoyable flight. If you are unhappy, file a complaint after you land. Or, simply deplane before takeoff. Anger and aggression is a choice, not the result of the flight crew. They do the best they can. Shouldn’t we be gracious guests as well?
We should remember, the flight crew aren’t there to wait on the passengers but to make sure that everyone arrives at their destination safely. When someone is disruptive it really is a safety risk for the entire flight. If something were to happen at 30,000 feet over the ocean, that flight crew are the ones trained to provide safety instructions. They cannot do their job if some idiot is acting like a fool.
I support the zero tolerance policy 100%. There’s just no room for that type of behavior at 38,000 feet, no matter the reason. I’m sure occasionally something just inexplicably triggers something in a brain that causes it, but it still can’t be tolerated.
My father, who was as “by the rules” type guy as you’d ever meet who everyone loved had a hospital induced psychosis. If he had more than an overnight stay in a hospital, he went absolutely bananas! He would fight with the hospital staff, yell, scream and curse at them, and even throw things at them. Afterwards, when he got home he would not remember any of it!
Sun Downers Syndrome? First trip to a Cardiac ICU put me in a room with a SunDowners, who was screaming and going to kill everybody, just the kind of crap you want to hear while you’re having a heart attack. My wife, an RN, finally went to his side of the curtain and told him to Shut the F Up, she never uses that language but was fed up with his behavior! According to my nurse they had him in 4 point restrains the night before I got there. Just a real nice respectable guy after the sun came up even had his Doctor fooled, but after dark no so nice.
This really doesn’t sound like zero tolerance. They disrupt the lives of everyone aboard, and are allowed to walk away. Maximum sentencing for these hoodlums.
That’s for sure! Talking about zero tolerance, then not following through with prosecution, even in egregious cases, is not a deterrent. That’s not even a slap on the wrist.
I’m still waiting for the national I’m An Immature Jerk No-Fly List. I know it is hard to put someone on a national list for “causing a disturbance” (is Delta’s threshold the same as United’s and the same as Hawaiian’s?), but once a complaint is sent to the FAA, TSA, or FBI, put them on a provisional list and if convicted or found liable make it permanent. Why should the rest of us be put in danger, or inconvenienced, because some clown can’t accept that rules apply to them and they think they Must be allowed to have another drink/enter the cockpit/exit the plane mid-flight?
Huh? Zip-tied but not detained once on ground; restrained in air but not detained once on ground; or tried to breach cockpit? A No-tolerance policy? Violation of FAA (Federal) rules? Doesn’t sound like it to me. They should all have been detained by US Marshall, turned over to FBI, charged as appropriate and tried in Fed court. I’ll bet that most would plead out and then fined and placed on a never-fly-with-any-US airlines list. But with a 5% prosecution probability it’s understandable why talk alone isn’t a deterrent. There has to be enforcement of the rules! Maybe if that were done and publicized it would become a little less of a problem. IMO. Jim
Aloha, BOH!
So sad that it has come to this. There is no reason for any unruly behaviors during any flight. If you have mental health issues then you need to choose an alternative mode of transportation in which you will not endanger the lives of others. I definitely agree with this policy.
Aloha, Mahalo all Island bound flights, we’ve never had an incident in the last 20 years on our way in or out.
That being said, I agree that there should be zero tolerance on unruly passengers and while 99% of the floght attendants we’ve encountered, there was 2 who were actually the cause of the disturbances while in flight. One airline in particular, we witnessed an attendant needle several passengers and one finally exploded (no pun intended) and caused a ruckus, simply because the attendant was having a bad day. Even keel sho8ld be kept by ALL, including flight crew. These are very difficult times, very expensive to travel and with delays and cancelations a modern problem, we need to look at how we all can benefit by cooler heads.
Hi John.
Cooler heads. We like that. Thanks.
Aloha.
Aloha,
I worked for TSA for 16 years and a lot of the same stuff goes on at the checkpoints. Most of it gets swept under the rug or management wants to keep it quiet and not be on the news. No body likes bad press.
Mahalo!
Hi Chuck.
Thanks for sharing that from a TSA perspective.
Aloha.
With all the time people are spending in airports. Some don’t understand when it’s time to get out of the bar.
Thankfully I have never been on a flight where a passenger has become disruptive. However I would have zero tolerance for anyone acting like a jerk and definitely feel they should be fined, prosecuted and banned for life from every airline not just the one the incident occurred on, never to fly again.
If both of these passengers were not detained, and are not allowed to fly, do they just end up as two more homeless in Hawaii?
Passengers pay out a lot of dollars for seats expecting to arrive at their destination safe and sound of mind. The flight crew and attendants really are to be commended for the high amount of stress involved with keeping passengers safe and happy. Unfortunately too many individuals these days have no respect for their attendants and pilots. FAA has implemented fines and protocol for the safety of all. Please, fellow passengers, do your part to add to an enjoyable flight. If you are unhappy, file a complaint after you land. Or, simply deplane before takeoff. Anger and aggression is a choice, not the result of the flight crew. They do the best they can. Shouldn’t we be gracious guests as well?
We should remember, the flight crew aren’t there to wait on the passengers but to make sure that everyone arrives at their destination safely. When someone is disruptive it really is a safety risk for the entire flight. If something were to happen at 30,000 feet over the ocean, that flight crew are the ones trained to provide safety instructions. They cannot do their job if some idiot is acting like a fool.
I support the zero tolerance policy 100%. There’s just no room for that type of behavior at 38,000 feet, no matter the reason. I’m sure occasionally something just inexplicably triggers something in a brain that causes it, but it still can’t be tolerated.
My father, who was as “by the rules” type guy as you’d ever meet who everyone loved had a hospital induced psychosis. If he had more than an overnight stay in a hospital, he went absolutely bananas! He would fight with the hospital staff, yell, scream and curse at them, and even throw things at them. Afterwards, when he got home he would not remember any of it!
Aloha, BOH!
Hi Ed.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this issue. We appreciate it!
Aloha.
As a nurse, I get that, but that is the exception, for sure.
Sun Downers Syndrome? First trip to a Cardiac ICU put me in a room with a SunDowners, who was screaming and going to kill everybody, just the kind of crap you want to hear while you’re having a heart attack. My wife, an RN, finally went to his side of the curtain and told him to Shut the F Up, she never uses that language but was fed up with his behavior! According to my nurse they had him in 4 point restrains the night before I got there. Just a real nice respectable guy after the sun came up even had his Doctor fooled, but after dark no so nice.
This really doesn’t sound like zero tolerance. They disrupt the lives of everyone aboard, and are allowed to walk away. Maximum sentencing for these hoodlums.
That’s for sure! Talking about zero tolerance, then not following through with prosecution, even in egregious cases, is not a deterrent. That’s not even a slap on the wrist.