CDC is considering this while airlines have a differing view.
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So you test 72 hours before you trip/plane trip and you are negative. But you you were exposed the day you tested…your test would be negative. Well then you become positive in flight or even after you arrive at your destination. This is another ridiculous idea the CDC has. This process has no merit or benefit to anyone. Apparently the CDC is full of people who have forgotten all they learned about infectious disease process. Please can we get real medical personnel to run the CDC.
I thought about that too. If someone doesn’t almost quarantine themselves during those 3 days till they get on the plane, there’s still a risk of them contracting it and bringing it with them. Although the risks of that happening is there, it greatly reduces the chances of infected people coming to Hawaii because they don’t test themselves. I’m curious to know what suggestions are there thats better than the pre-travel testing? Maybe our collective minds can provide a solution?
But the virus isn’t shed simply sitting in your nose, it is shed when u become sick, and this may take more than 3 days. I personally wish that those who have taken the vaccine and wear a mask would be allowed to travel. Or just do the test at the airport for $50,or something reasonable. United’s $250 a test makes me never want to fly with them again. Hard to respect a company making loads of money off a pandemic by jacking up the price so much. However a test, a shot, n a mask,n u are good to go. They are worried the test will make flying cost prohitive, but have u seen how low the prices are in Europe for intercontinental travel? Why not here in the US? Just Lower The Prices Of Flights Here then it won’t be an issue. And being on a plane is quit different than being in a grocery store obviously. So that’s not a good point. And the potential for getting COVID on a plane is extremely high. All though, I do know some people who have gotten it in a grocery store.
Well Bonnie,
Virtually all modern airlines have as good of a hepa-filtration system as any hospital operating room.
Every product in a grocery store is touched by multiple people, from packing to distribution, to consumers, to checkout, before you get it home.
You Have greater odds of getting Covid in a grocery store than on an airplane. More research and less non-factual opinion, please. Seek the harvard study, and many other scientific studies…
fox2now.com/news/new-study-says-people-are-at-higher-risk-for-contracting-covid-19-at-the-grocery-store-than-on-an-airplane/
travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Harvard-Covid-risk-on-planes-lower-than-grocery
Forcing everyone to be tested to fly is a step away from freedom in America and will not help the airline industry. What’s next? Where does it stop?
To even have a prayer of making this work, they would need to have 15 rapid tests at each gate. Can you imagine having to flying several times a week for your job? What about the flight crews? What if you have a family emergency and need to get on a flight same day?
To compound this problem, there is a lot of documentation about these tests not being accurate and giving false positive results. This is coming from the companies who designed the tests, from the medical community, and from individual people who have tested positive, then negative.
It seems the reason international testing has been accepted is so people could start coming and going from other countries into or out of the US. We are already in the US.
Worth noting, the ACIP of the CDC said this week “in most cases individuals who have received two doses of COVID-19 vaccine do not need to quarantine once two weeks have passed after the second dose. Hopefully, the CDC takes a stance on vaccines soon and publishes that. I understand not everyone wants one or can get one. It should be your choice and you should not be penalized if you decide against it.
The information about COVID-19 has been vastly miscommunicated to the public by the media (BOH exempt!). As an earlier post stated, there is a small chance of death. If you are in a high risk category, flying among other things right now is probably not a good choice. Until this virus stops being politicized, no one will know the truth.
Hi Cynthia.
Thanks for sharing those points and for all of your comments.
Aloha.
I disagree with your assessment of her comments.
I agree with the BOH assessment and Cynthia’s closing comments.
After numerous previous crises in our country like Pearl Harbor and 911, we pulled together for the common good and came out better as a nation. As soon as this virus was politicized, it became a free-for-all and we’re all worse off for it.
I would much rather see them put all their energy into the vaccine program. Yesterday I watched Lt Gov Josh Green’s 30 min video, very informative.
Aloha Guys
Hi Roy.
Thanks for the input.
Aloha.
I believe that testing is important. According to studies, flying is supposed to be safe for the non transmittal of the virus. Example I’m a returning resident to conduct business for 3 weeks on Hawaii island. I have 500% been masking using sanitizing, spraying shoes after going to market along with my family.
I planned a flight through Hawaiian with their testing locally. I have had no symptoms of anything no cold nor this virus and was shocked that it tested and detected positive!
That blew everything out of the water for me. Concerned because my husband has an underlying Med condition
He tested, my son tested and I tested again less than 24 hrs later through local health dept, same test as Hawaiian airlines gives, NAAT RT PCR- all negative. I had to cancel flight arrangements in Hawaii, I isolated for 10 days.
Never any symptoms ever! Now made arrangements again for business. That’s the question do I bare the expensive of a test again to find out I’m positive and bare even more expensive for the trip? Or do I just forego and isolate in my home for 10 days which I have no issue doing ? That’s the question?
I would think you had a false positive. That is the stress of testing healthy people. Some tests are not 100 percent.
Yup totally didn’t make sense . I was a good girl and isolated anyway prepared for oncoming of symptoms that never came. I took my temp 3-4 times a day and bought an oxygen level reader as well. So apprehensive at this point taking another test because from what I understand those that were infected with the virus, if mine was in fact a good test, can test positive up to 90 days!! I really don’t think that they have this down pat and believe my swab was compromised in some way didn’t make sense especially after testing negative with my local health dept!!!
Covid Testing: 2-14% False Positives, 8-20% False Negatives (in patients with/without symptoms), but both are within the allowable limits of testing. Why isn’t Hawaii at the forefront of getting a “Vaccinated Passport” approved for travel, and forego all of this? Vacinnation itself increases your risk of having a false positive if it an antigen test.
Exactly Jared. So you can have a false positive and lose out on a lot of money you paid for lodging in Hawaii or on the Mainland. Or you can have a false negative and still might get other people sick around you. In the meantime, more people will become unemployed or have their business go bankrupt. Instead of this, the government should focus on getting more people vaccinated and mask reinforcement (even with fines if necessary) at airports and on airplanes. Masks and social distancing still work.
If you think everyone would be “safe” if they all were pre-tested, you’re being naive. Anything could happen in the 72 intervening hours after receiving a negative test result and boarding the aircraft. You think you’re safe sitting next to someone, but that stranger could have been exposed to hundreds of people since he received his negative result, as could you. Unless everyone agrees to self-quarantine for 72 hours immediately upon being tested (which would be impossible unless you are tested in your own home), your risk of infection is no different than the day before you tested
And if you think mandatory testing is necessary when traveling from some other state to Hawaii, by rights there should also be mandatory testing to return to your home state after being in Hawaii, right? So now we’re talking about mandatory testing in both directions (assuming most people will take a vacation longer than 72 hours).
What about people that travel on a weekly or periodic basis for business reasons? Are we expecting that these people will take multiple tests per month or quarter? Yuck!
I agree with SWA’s CEO: air filtration systems and sanitation processes on aircraft are far better than your average Wal-mart or Safeway.
This is yet another ill-conceived government plan that will have far-reaching undesired side-effects, cost billions of dollars and not really improve the situation, at least in a measurability perspective. Before going all-out and requiring mandatory testing for all flights (remember, that means BOTH WAYS!!), how about we do some data collection to find out how many people contract Covid as a direct result of air travel? Let’s get a baseline of metrics, at the very least, so that when we spend billions of dollars, we’ll at least know whether this plan actually does anything.
What’s that people keep telling us? “Follow the science”. Yeah, let’s follow scientific principals and use metrics and analysis. Otherwise, it’s just another wild stab in the dark.
Well put…I totally agree
I read a few months ago in a story from CNN that if you go on a flight unmasked, your chance you will catch Covid is 1 in 4300. If you wear a mask, 1 in 7000. I agree, this sounds like overkill to me. Let us see the data that shows airplanes are a cesspool for Covid. Mahalo.
Jerry,
That’s the most intelligent analysis, I’ve read on this topic.
The CDC Director, is absolutely clueless, and there is no way they could implement this stupidity in any reasonable timeframe.
Hell the way the Administration is talking everyone who wants it will be vaccinated by summer. Half the country, or more would be vaccinated by the time they get this studied and implemented properly.
The utter ignorance in Government is disturbing. How stupid do they think we are.
What a perfect way to put the final nail in the coffin of an already critically ill airline industry. Just who would be responsible for the cost of these mandatory tests? What happens to those travelers who need to make emergency trips to be with a loved one or the mechanic who is called upon to fly to another state to deliver a critical product or part for any industry. (We see these kind of people on flights all the time). Last minute trips happen for any number of reasons. The only way something like this could possibly work would be instant testing at the airport, but then what happens if someone tests positive who just paid $1000 for a ticket? Is the airline expected to refund that money and will they get reimbursed by the Federal Gov. since they are the ones requiring these mandatory tests? The consequences of this obviously have not been thought through, just like most of the other policies the CDC and other government agencies put forth. As for how this affects Hawaii travel….it would be the same as anywhere else in the US, I would assume. You fly anywhere you will test. Those trips to see Auntie on another island better not be spur of the moment and you best plan on the cost of 2 tests…going and returning home. I believe it would also do further damage to the tourist industry and those who like to experience multiple islands while there. I swear, it sounds like the CDC has Gov. Ige at the helm. Whatever happens now…whatever jobs are lost if this becomes policy….the new administration will have to own it, but hey…what is several thousand more jobs lost with at swish of a pen ?
This won’t happen anytime soon. The impact to testing capacity would be too significant before the summer.
After all are given the chance to get the vaccine in the summer, though, we should see this sort of testing requirement for anyone that’s not already vaccinated. This will *help* Hawaii’s tourism industry, as it will ensure that Hawaii can maintain a zero-covid state (and thus be attractive to travelers) without spending endless resources in quarantine enforcement.
I’d personally feel safer flying with a plane load of passengers that show that they have been vaccinated for covid19. Of course I am aware that there are many who will and have refused to get the vaccine. I am booked for October and doing everything I can, including getting vaccinated, to be safe and to keep safe so that I can visit the islands again without fear.
Please be aware that even vaccinated people can still contract and spread Covid-19.
Please state your source.
Moderna, Pfizer, CDC.
Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 95 and 96% effective, 2-3 weeks after your second vaccination dose. That means 4-5% of vaccinated people can still contract the virus. Only a certain percentage of those who contract the virus will have symptoms, and the rest are asymptomatic carriers. This is the most likely population to spread the virus in the general public, and also to members of their own circle (family, co-workers, etc). We need herd immunity to protect us from the asymptomatic spreaders, and vaccination is the best bet.
I’d rather sit in a plane with 100% of passengers & crew vaccinated with about a 5% chance of getting COVID-19 on a much less serious level than with passengers only testing negative (also not 100% accurate) and without proof of quarantine. There is no proof, yet, whether or not you can transmit it if exposed while vaccinated — like asymptomatic people have done unknowingly. No one is saying you CAN 100% transmit it after vaccination. Let’s try to think more positive & get to that 70-80% vaccination level in the USA before deciding that it’s no better than testing for COVID-19.
(tony) What about returning home would testing by mandatory both ways…
Of course it will be…and what about any layovers that carry you over the 72 hour mark? This would be a nightmare if implemented
Hawaii’s requirement for testing before entering the state has already proved difficult to achieve in many cases. Consider what the CDC’s domestic flight policy would do, all over the US. Double that cost, frustration, and worry because every return flight also requires testing. It’s no doubt easier to find testing when you’re at home and familiar with local resources. How will that work for out-of-towners looking to test for their return flight? Exempting vaccinated passengers from testing would go a long way towards smoothing the process. Sure looks like air travel will be depressed for quite awhile. 🙁 Can’t wait til this all clears up and we can return to Hawaii.