When will this ever end? On Friday, we wrote about the plane diversion of an American Airlines Hawaii flight that took place en route from Phoenix to Honolulu. And that came just four days after we wrote about a prior Hawaii flight diversion for the same reason. So that should be it for a while, no? Apparently not.
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We just learned from multiple passengers and can confirm, based on FlightAware, that at virtually the same time the Phoenix to Honolulu flight was concluding on Friday, another American Airlines Hawaii flight diversion said to be for unruly passenger behavior, was also taking place. Here’s what happened:
AA 697 Hawaii Flight Diversion from Kauai caused by 1st class passenger.
The flight from Kauai to Phoenix departed the gate on time at 11:08 PM and was in the air at 11:23 PM, all just minutes after the other American Airlines Hawaii diversion concluded. The flight headed out into the Pacific and towards that point of no return, which occurs halfway between Hawaii and the mainland. Once that midpoint is reached, of course, the flight does not turn around.
Something occurred about 500 miles from Kauai, with the midway point being about 1,250 miles from Hawaii. The overnight flight on the Airbus A321neo narrow-body suddenly turned around and was headed back to Hawaii. At 1:18 AM on Saturday morning, barely two hours from its Lihue departure, the plane landed safely at Honolulu. There, something delayed the arrival at the gate for an additional twenty minutes.
The total time of the delay to passengers and crew before the arrival in Phoenix was about 19 hours. The flight remainded on the ground in Honolulu until Saturday at 5:47 PM and it didn’t get to its final destination until Sunday at 2:25 AM.
Jim S was on the flight and told us: “Our flight was diverted as well. AA697 Lihue to Phoenix. I hope these disruptive passengers are given Stiff jail time and fines. Their chaos causes 100’s of people great frustration and financial hardship.”
Dave, who was on the flight too reported more concerning information about the situation. “I was on flight 697 and was actually asked by one of the flight attendants to stand by to assist with this passenger, if necessary. I can say without hesitation that the gate agent in Lihue had ample indication that this particular passenger was going to be trouble, as he arrived at the gate inebriated and was already being very disruptive before ever boarding the aircraft. If a passenger is behaving that way in the terminal, one can correctly conclude that their behavior will worsen, not improve, once the flight is in the air. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior, but even less excusable is American Airlines’ complete failure to train their personnel in assessing passengers as they board, and empower them to take action.”
Jim, who was also on the flight said this: “First class, Seat 1D, 60-70 years old. Looked drunk, couldn’t stand at one point.”
A retired flight attendant, Cate, also said this: I had the good fortune to be a flight attendant for 45yrs with American Airlines from 1968-2013. I survived 3 bomb threats, sick passengers, and one death, had the great honor of flying our troops in and out of the Middle East and I was in the air on 9/11. There is not enough money to make me want to fly in these crazy times. The Flight Attendants are required and trained extensively to save your life.”
So two Hawaii diversions just since Friday. Wow! And before that, only four days separated these from the previous Hawaii flight diversion. In Friday’s other American Airlines diversion, the Boeing 787 widebody was heading in the opposite direction on a 6+ hour flight from Phoenix to Honolulu. Instead, before reaching its halfway oceanic point, it also abruptly turned back due to an unruly passenger incident. We now have reports that a guest on board was throwing human waste at passengers and crew members.
And also, in the past week, we wrote about another Honolulu flight diversion in which the flight attendant was choked!
We’re now up to nine recent Hawaii diversions for bad passenger behavior.
Are airlines acting quickly enough to quell problems?
Pacific Ocean flights are different than one to two-hour flights up and down the Pacific Coast. Any problem that occurs can result in up to three hours without the ability to divert, making these incidents even more disturbing.
We wonder about all the problems associated with these diversions, including endangering safety, upsetting and delaying passengers and crew, planes and crew no longer where they belong, crew rest timing issues, and the enormous expense and wear and tear. Are the airlines looking proactively enough at the situation to head these problems off before they start?
It also reminded us of the new app that Alaska Airlines uses to share real-time passenger information and data between flight attendants and the cockpit in-flight. Could that be of any help here? For example, when you board the plane, usually a flight attendant greets you, and there are other flight attendants in the aisle to assist with seating.
Editor Rob, who once worked for United Airlines, said, “Boarding is the ideal time to observe passenger behavior proactively, and to notify the crew of any potential problems early, which could help reduce some incidents.”
FAA chimes in on unruly passengers.
Please give us your thoughts. We have also reached out for airline input on how they address unruly passengers on Hawaii flights and others. According to the FAA, in 2022, there were 2,359 reports of unruly passengers, 823 investigations, and 553 enforcement actions. Perhaps this video from the FAA should be playing in the boarding area. Kids can say it better than adults sometimes.
Lead image courtesy of FlightAware.
Stop serving alcohol of any kind on airline flights. And if a passenger appears to have had to much alcohol to drink at boarding do not let them board. It is obvious most problems are caused by passengers who have been drinking.
Why should those of us who are responsible and don’t act like an idiot have to pay the price for the stupidity of a few?
I was on the flight to Phoenix also. I totally agree with the other passenger that the disruptive drunk passenger should have been taken off when he boarded. He was acting up as soon as he boarded. It caused everyone and that woukd be about 195 passengers so much unnecessary trouble . It was a nightmare and it took two additional days to get home. There was no reason that they could not address that passenger In Phoenix. We were told that local law enforcement coukd not arrest him as it was a federal offense issue and it would have to be filed with FBI. They did not do anything to that man but walk him out and he sat there or danced around without being handcuffed or anything else. Walked away with law enforcement and his wife.
Phoenix used to have deputized Federal Marshall’s. They no longer do.. I have had to deal with this myself after a husband punched his wife in the head out of HNL. They arrested him in PHX, but let him go because the wife would not press charges. If they still had the Marshall’s they could have pressed charges themselves. It being over International waters makes the difference. He Went Free, and he was a Lawyer.
Not letting inebriated, highly agitated or extremely rude people onto the plane to begin with would be helpful, I think.
Any inebriated passenger should be kept off the flight. Make these crimes a felony, they are endangering lives and finances. Training and vigilance will eliminate these problems up front. Not confident to fly American these days.
Eliminate alcohol at airports and on flights. It is absolutely unnecessary, is dehydrating and clearly causes issues. Give flight attendants the ability to say if you don’t follow rules you will never be allowed to fly again. And Ban those who are disruptive from flying anymore! Courtesy over selfishness is necessary for safety.
Um no. I should be able to have a beer while I wait for my flight. Many people don’t have a problem with it or act like morons. No reason why the actions of a select few numbuts should be taken out on the majority of responsible people
Like I said, before, your privilege of imbibing alcohol does not trump my right to a secure flight. In a civilized society, we all have to make certain sacrifices for the greater good. Otherwise anarchy ensues.
If you think your “beer at the airport” is more important than keeping air travel safe and operational, you are mistaken.
People are just awful and that includes antagonistic airline employees who sometimes create drama where none exists. I’m not saying that’s the cause of these recent Hawaii diversions, but airline employees do sometimes like to poke the bear.
Or maybe they are doing their job?
That was not the case here, I can tell you. And I’ve never seen a flight attendant create drama “out of nothing.” They want to arrive on time and get home. Just like 99.9% of passengers.
Agreed Dave, I was right behind first class.
It’s not passenger drama but here is our story flying Hawaiian today (Sunday) from PDX to HNL. Flight at 7:25am. Everyone on board at 7. Around 8 they said something wrong. At 9 they deplaned us. At 10 they said new departure time would be 10:30pm, so in 12hrs. Came back to airport, everyone on plane, this time pulled back from terminal and everything seemed good until it wasn’t again and back to the gate we go. New departure time says 12am.
Sounds more like some of these people were drunk prior to getting on the plane, maybe making adults do a breathalyzer test prior to boarding would work. Why bring the hammer down on everyone when it’s a few people who probably started drinking hours before their flight? Just a thought.
The penalty for disrupting a flight should include reimbursing not just the airline cost but all the passengers airfare as well as losses (missing my $5000 cruise). Could easily top $1M per flight
Perhaps we need Air Marshalls on every flight with a Hawaii route.
The feds are taking away Air Marshals and sending them to the S. border.
I was on flight 697 and was actually asked by one of the flight attendants to stand by to assist with this passenger, if necessary. I can say without hesitation that the gate agent in Lihue had ample indication that this particular passenger was going to be trouble, as he arrived at the gate inebriated and was already being very disruptive before ever boarding the aircraft. If a passenger is behaving that way in the terminal, one can correctly conclude that their behavior will worsen, not improve, once the flight is in the air. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior, but even less excusable is American Airlines’ complete failure to train their personnel in assessing passengers as they board, and empower them to take action.