New requirements could be largely duplicative with Hawaii Save Travels and result in either its elimination or significant modification.
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New requirements could be largely duplicative with Hawaii Save Travels and result in either its elimination or significant modification.
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Looks like we vacation where we can drive to,will not be bullied into a vaccination
Thanks for taking the bait.
You go to the doctor they give you some medication and they warned you that this medication can damage your heart your kidneys so you get the medication take it home and take it because you want the medication to make you better but when you take the vaccine it will save your life and your family life
To think many will support such anti American and asinine thinking is sickening.
Americans are “always willing to trade away a little of their freedom” in exchange for “the illusion of security.”
George Carlin has pretty much nailed everything about this whole virus almost 20 years ago it’s pretty scary how accurate he has been.
But you’re still willing to fly despite the post 9/11 restrictions to your “freedoms” I’ll bet.
This all seems so wrong its discriminating, segregating…just not right ..
… I just want to go see my grandkids….and no one ask if you have a hepatitis B vaccine or any other vaccine
And no a drivers license is totally different then a forced vaccine
Do wish all this none freedom stuff stops and I do not feel its right to take down people comments …..unless they are violent, threatening,vulgar,
Thank you for your information guess its all still up in the air …hope they don’t change things without notice or we all might not every get to go home to your state……..Mahalo
Hi Julie.
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Aloha.
Diane are the rules going to apply for you and your family? Getting the. Vaccine is a personal choice. What happened to my body my choice?
I would like to understand this.
I’m supposed to carry around my papers. These papers indicate I have had a vaccine that, from what is on my papers, no one can determine whether remains effective for me or not. It also does not state whether I require a booster shot that, just as with the original vaccine series, no one knows how long may (or may not) be effective.
But with my issued papers, I can show my status to the airlines and fly away, despite evidence that although I have the correct blocks checked on my little card, I may still be a carrier merrily on my way infecting people.
This is a classic example of process masquerading as progress. Right in concert with the: “We mandated masks; we must have gotten something” approach to problem solving.
The problems with serious COVID will mitigate when either COVID mutates away from us or enough of us acquire lasting effective immunity. But I think just as it was with the mask and stay-at-home requirements, nature is not presently particularly interested in my vaccine card.
Until then, the responsible approach is to not view your opinion as sacrosanct, be humble and do all you can to protect those around you. Getting vaccinated and following sensible public health advice is not a big ask. There IS a reason that 2020 saw an incredible drop in both flu and common rhinovirus cases because people were masked, isolated, washing hands and social distancing.
Since you are a fan of quotes, I’ll leave you with my fave.
“No one ever died poor underestimating the intelligence of the American public,”. (Attributed to both HL Mencken and PT Barnum)
As evidenced by the continued political fund raising off obvious lies.
Hi James B.
I read your comments and find your positions regarding common sense thoughtful.
I wrote the above out of my perception that the problems with much of this does not lie with the vaccine or the vaccine’s customers, but rather with the sales force.
For some reason it seems to me that they just can’t connect the dots correctly to have the picture of vaccine benefits appear clear enough to overcome some folk’s concerns. Perhaps that is because such is the way the facts line up or maybe it is just a plain honest misunderstanding. Either way, we just don’t know and aren’t being told in a very open or effective manner. Instead, we seem to be content to head down the road embracing a “the beatings will continue until morale improves” solution model.
If effective vaccination and control measures are to be achieved I think they will be accomplished quicker and more fully with good, accurate, and honest information sourced from trusted individuals and groups (if they can now be identified without fear of retribution). I continue to remain unconvinced COVID will meet its demise in a political office full of lobbyist somewhere.
As with everything else, since a certain percentage of the population refuses to (and/)or complains bitterly about) wearing a mask in public–particularly on planes and refuses to get vaccinated—the government is forced to take more drastic and more draconian measures to control this deadly global pandemic.
So… would I prefer NOT to have to prove that I have been vaccinated everywhere that I go? Of course. Would I prefer that everyone just wear masks and social distance and get vaccinated of their own volition–so that we can end this pandemic quickly and easily? Of course. But since that’s not possible–since we’re dealing with a shockingly large percentage of citizens in this country–we gotta do what we gotta do.
Thanks, Republicans!
“As with everything else, since a certain percentage of the population refuses to (and/)or complains bitterly about) wearing a mask in public–particularly on planes…”
Exactly what percentage is that? How many planes have you been on, in the last year and a half, Jared, and how many people have you seen complain and make a scene in public to actually buy into that statement? I’ve been on many planes since this started, and I have yet to see ONE situation like this. I have seen people wearing masks under their nose, and usually don’t put it up until asked to do so (usually only when on an airplane…not at airports), but not one single incident. Weird…maybe I am just lucky, or maybe I am like many who fly more often than most, and recognize that these are extremely isolated incidents?
“…so that we can end this pandemic quickly and easily?”
I don’t think that some of you even grasp that there are those that aren’t going to let this end, if they can influence the outcome, because there is nothing but profit in this for them. It’s been over 18 months from “30 days to slow the spread”, and it’s been slowed as much as it’s going to, until we have herd immunity. Have you looked at the death rates since the peak earlier this year? Please do, and let me know what you find…
Hawaii is apparently now over 75% with the vaccine with people having at least one shot. What happened to fully opening the economy back up after 70% having the shot??? 🤷♂️ Many were convinced that would not happened, and it appears they are right.
In other words, Hawaii can require that visitors comply with one of three options, but can’t require proof of vaccination or testing in order to fly here.
This statement makes no sense.
If the State “can’t require proof of testing” – why is it that the State “requires flyers to comply w testing”?
The state cannot prohibit flying. It can require you to quarantine once you arrive.
Hi Bill M.
You are trying to approach Hawaii’s COVID control efforts logically and with some common sense. This can indeed be a frustrating endeavor but you are not alone.
You are certainly not alone in your questions as evaluation of attempts in disease control have been around since long ago. I say that because I note that French writer, historian, and philosopher François-Marie Arouet, writing in the mid 18th century under his pen name Voltaire, succinctly observed:
“The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease.”
I think that if you dont get the vacine, you should not be able to fly anywhere!!!!!!!. Wouldn’t that work better!
Aloha! I think if you are afraid of getting sick you should stay home! Wouldn’t that make it better for everyone?
Yes, but being sick more and more has nothing to do with the jab….i.e, break through cases are relavent.
Breakthrough cases are still rare and mostly a result of unvaccinated people. In San Francisco, one of the highest vaccinated per capita
cities in the US the chance of a vaccinated person having a breakthrough case is 1 in 10000….in cities with lower vaccinated rates it’s still about 1 in 5000 to 7000.
Your kidding me right? 10 assistant coaches on the saints had the vaccine and all had covid last week. Do know what the statistical probability is of that? 10000 to the 10 power based on your numbers.
Maybe they should just be taken to re-education camps and taught the error of their ways. That seems to work “better” in other countries.
In that spirit, perhaps the legions of mind-numbed dogmatic zealots should be forced to learn critical thinking and how real science works.
Mike, if you understand how critical thinking and real science works you certainly understand that the Covid vaccinations are a safe and effective tool to get our freedoms back and what’s driving the anti vax movement is the polar opposite of critical rational thought.
Hello JOHNW.
You have me thinking about this.
Why do we have to do something to “get our freedoms back”? Are they hostage?
For how long? From whom? And why were they taken from us to begin with?
In almost two years I’ve seen sparse evidence losing our freedoms has done much of anything except divide America and wreck economies, Hawaii’s included. I think many are ready to have our freedoms handed back to us forthwith, and I might add with an apology attached.
“There is no limit to the amount of intelligence invested in ignorance when the need for illusion runs deep.”
― Saul Bellow
What freedoms have we lost exactly? The freedom to spread a deadly virus? The freedom to flood ICUs i because you decide not to get vaccinated? The freedom to give a deadly virus to someone who can’t get vaccinated? What freedoms are you v talking about?!? What about my freedom to go about my business safely? The anti vaxers are certainly talking that away. How about the freedom of sending my kids to a safe school? And just to bring it home to what this site is supposed to be about. What about my freedom to go on a vacation to Hawaii safely? Yup, I think I get it now, those must be the freedoms you’re referring to, right?
Hi JOERG H.
I think you are certainly welcome to enjoy your freedom to safely vacation in Hawaii. We all want that.
First, I don’t think people mind very much carrying around a stack of paper to show they paid this or that or passed some skills test. That’s administrative minutia attendant a bureaucratic state. However I do believe some get a moment of pause when they are supposed to produce a paper where the underlying condition requires them have something placed in their body they might not wish placed there regardless of reason. I just don’t view that as abnormal I’m afraid. Rather I see that as choice. And I also see punitive measures as a rather poor attempt at a crutch for failed vaccine policies.
To your questions. I see the fundamental concerns in all of this rather undefined approach as involving the exercise of reasonable free will, freedom of movement and association, the recognized sanctity of a free persons body, and numerous religious and other societal concerns; for example, the status of minors. We may agree or disagree as to the importance of each these days, but I just do not think fear of COVID or the purported attributes of the COVID vaccine should act to trump any of them. Yet I witness this.
In two years we have surrendered much, yet 700,000 are lost. I think for many the illusion of just give up a little more is dimming. At some point the cure may be worse than the disease.
Aloha JOHNW,
Thanks for a little hilarity during a serious time. Unfortunately this is not the proper forum to demonstrate my “understanding” on the subject.
And sincere thanks to BOH for giving us a chance to express opinions contrary to the party line (so rare in this age of censorship).
Your idea overlooks the fact that many people have exemptions. There will never be 100% compliance. So you needn’t take that totalitarian position.
If you are vaccinated you are protected right? so why are those vaxxed fighting this? Unless maybe people don’t really believe it protects them. I believe in what Norway and Singapore are doing along with several other countries. They removed all restrictions for everyone and anything. They have vac rates in the 70 to 80 percent range and yet still have spikes in cases . They realize it’s here to stay and just deal with it. If the vax is the cure and you elect to wear a faux mask then you should be covered so I don’t understand peoples concerns?
I think if you weigh over say 200 pounds you need to buy 2 tickets or not fly. It’s a safety issue planes only hold so much and it inconveniences me.
Because it takes someone else’s rights away for there BODY .one person rights cannot take away another’s rights .We all have the same rights MY BODY MY MIND MY SOUL