32 thoughts on “Most Stress Ever On Hawaii Flights? What You Can Do.”
Johannes L
I don’t know what the answer is to this. It seems since the pandemic there has been a marked increase in coarseness, and entitlement be it in politics, bad driving, air rage, settling disagreements with threats of, if not actual, violence. Fines and bans would affect the offenders, but until they are hit with these penalties they, and any future violators, probably don’t see the rules as applicable to them. Until it is stressed to everyone that the rules apply the everyone this is likely to continue.
I fly to Hawaii at least once a year and the unruly passengers I have seen on my flights were drunk from the stewards serving them too much liquor. When I complained to delta about it, delta refused to even respond to my complaint, and when i complained to delta that they hadn’t responded to my complaint, delta again didn’t respond. Delta doesn’t want to admit they have a problem. On one occasion I had an elderly couple in the exit row in front of me and the woman needed a cane to walk and the stewards served them handfuls of bottles of liquor continuously thru the flight from lax to ogg. So the stewardess not only knew the couple shouldn’t be sitting in the exit row, she knew she shouldn’t be serving them liquor until they were plastered.
Why doesn’t the airlines quit serving alcohol. I’ll bet most of the problems were alcohol related. On a flight I was just on with Alaska Airlines the premium passengers were given two 1.7 ounce bottles of liquor and they could buy another. Forest Gump said it best “Stupid is what stupid does”. Stop the booze and it will eliminate most of the problems, I would be willing to bet on that.
A few months ago you had an article about this topic. I think that people who cause any kind of trouble, should be put, immediately upon landing, on a 5 year no-fly list. Plus any fines and other penalties. Play that warning along with how put your seatbelt on.
Update: a friend of mine was on a plane with a disruptive passenger that caused delays. He filed suit against that person. Without going into details, (his request), they settled out of court for a hefty sum. I just wish some money hungry lawyer would file a class action suit against those people. One such suit might make everyone behave like normal people.
Good stuff. But, if one class action would make a difference, why are class action lawsuits filed just about every day.
Punishment, especially punishment of others, won’t do anything, IMO.
I think the 5-year no fly list is great. A permanent ban is unrealistic for some, but not most offenders. But, if a 5-year no fly penalty is on the table and strongly announced – maybe, just maybe.
First thing, if Flight attendants seem rude or angry, it’s not because they hate being a Flight attendant! Its because the industry and public have placed them in a category compared to the restaurant and bar industry. The Flight crew are on these flights for the safety of the aircraft and its passengers. They are not on board to appeal to its passengers thirst, hunger, and comfort. So, to think that the Flight crew are bouncers and coolers on a flight is very ignorant. Final thing, I believe that if the situation looks “in control” then passengers should not interfere the situation. But if passengers just sit there and “mind their own business”, the situation can escalate and possibly have a 9/11 case to where the aircraft is taken over because passengers were manipulated in believing that the flight crew train for these situations. Passengers should all believe that this is dangerous, flying, already! We all don’t need this craziness to cause us more danger.
Hi guys—-Here I am sitting by the pool at the Marriott Kaua’i Beach Club/Sonesta Hotel enjoining the positive ambiance and weather you enjoy when you are at home.
Thanks for raising awareness of inappropriate and inconsiderate passenger behavior. You would think that those of us who have flown many air miles might have “seen it all” in terms of badly behaving passengers. It not necessarily so——I recall only one such incident during my nearly 4-million Delta miles. The only consistency is all those miles were on Delta and it’s commuter carriers, usually Skywest. Delta caters to business travelers who are focused on their work and on having non-eventful flights. However, my suggestion is to add the troublemakers to the no-fly list much the same as we have the “trusted traveler” designation for Global Entry cardholders.
Thanks for your always-pertinent blog!
Sincerely,
Jim E.
I am mystified by why the airlines are not suing unruly passengers for reimbursement of their cost to divert. I think the prospect of owing an airline several thousand dollars could factor into being a deterrent to the behavior.
I don’t know what the answer is to this. It seems since the pandemic there has been a marked increase in coarseness, and entitlement be it in politics, bad driving, air rage, settling disagreements with threats of, if not actual, violence. Fines and bans would affect the offenders, but until they are hit with these penalties they, and any future violators, probably don’t see the rules as applicable to them. Until it is stressed to everyone that the rules apply the everyone this is likely to continue.
I fly to Hawaii at least once a year and the unruly passengers I have seen on my flights were drunk from the stewards serving them too much liquor. When I complained to delta about it, delta refused to even respond to my complaint, and when i complained to delta that they hadn’t responded to my complaint, delta again didn’t respond. Delta doesn’t want to admit they have a problem. On one occasion I had an elderly couple in the exit row in front of me and the woman needed a cane to walk and the stewards served them handfuls of bottles of liquor continuously thru the flight from lax to ogg. So the stewardess not only knew the couple shouldn’t be sitting in the exit row, she knew she shouldn’t be serving them liquor until they were plastered.
Why doesn’t the airlines quit serving alcohol. I’ll bet most of the problems were alcohol related. On a flight I was just on with Alaska Airlines the premium passengers were given two 1.7 ounce bottles of liquor and they could buy another. Forest Gump said it best “Stupid is what stupid does”. Stop the booze and it will eliminate most of the problems, I would be willing to bet on that.
A few months ago you had an article about this topic. I think that people who cause any kind of trouble, should be put, immediately upon landing, on a 5 year no-fly list. Plus any fines and other penalties. Play that warning along with how put your seatbelt on.
Update: a friend of mine was on a plane with a disruptive passenger that caused delays. He filed suit against that person. Without going into details, (his request), they settled out of court for a hefty sum. I just wish some money hungry lawyer would file a class action suit against those people. One such suit might make everyone behave like normal people.
You guys have a great day!
That’s a good idea!
Joe B,
Good stuff. But, if one class action would make a difference, why are class action lawsuits filed just about every day.
Punishment, especially punishment of others, won’t do anything, IMO.
I think the 5-year no fly list is great. A permanent ban is unrealistic for some, but not most offenders. But, if a 5-year no fly penalty is on the table and strongly announced – maybe, just maybe.
First thing, if Flight attendants seem rude or angry, it’s not because they hate being a Flight attendant! Its because the industry and public have placed them in a category compared to the restaurant and bar industry. The Flight crew are on these flights for the safety of the aircraft and its passengers. They are not on board to appeal to its passengers thirst, hunger, and comfort. So, to think that the Flight crew are bouncers and coolers on a flight is very ignorant. Final thing, I believe that if the situation looks “in control” then passengers should not interfere the situation. But if passengers just sit there and “mind their own business”, the situation can escalate and possibly have a 9/11 case to where the aircraft is taken over because passengers were manipulated in believing that the flight crew train for these situations. Passengers should all believe that this is dangerous, flying, already! We all don’t need this craziness to cause us more danger.
Hi guys—-Here I am sitting by the pool at the Marriott Kaua’i Beach Club/Sonesta Hotel enjoining the positive ambiance and weather you enjoy when you are at home.
Thanks for raising awareness of inappropriate and inconsiderate passenger behavior. You would think that those of us who have flown many air miles might have “seen it all” in terms of badly behaving passengers. It not necessarily so——I recall only one such incident during my nearly 4-million Delta miles. The only consistency is all those miles were on Delta and it’s commuter carriers, usually Skywest. Delta caters to business travelers who are focused on their work and on having non-eventful flights. However, my suggestion is to add the troublemakers to the no-fly list much the same as we have the “trusted traveler” designation for Global Entry cardholders.
Thanks for your always-pertinent blog!
Sincerely,
Jim E.
Hi Jim.
Thanks for your insight and so many other comments. Two BOH editors are on Oahu this week and one is on Kauai. Enjoy your time on the garden island.
Aloha.
I am mystified by why the airlines are not suing unruly passengers for reimbursement of their cost to divert. I think the prospect of owing an airline several thousand dollars could factor into being a deterrent to the behavior.
I believe the long lines at the airport and the crowded planes with uncomfortable seats and no leg room are a problem to start with.
Prices also.
Hi John.
Thanks. True that. And what part isn’t stressful?
Aloha.