Our problem is we booked months ago and even bought travel insurance. But neither the condo owner nor the airline will give a refund or voucher for postponing! The insurance folks also denied us. So, if we don’t come in mid September, we throw away over $5,000. We get a refund only if Hawaii shuts down officially, but this “request” or “suggestion” to not travel means nothing to airlines and VRBOs. We’re stuck!! It’s a bad situation for people who want to do the right thing.
Listening to KSSK 92.3 this morning, heard that there is a large group of University of Hawaii football team fans are going to the ULCA game. Did the Governor tell them not to come back unless the get tested? Again blame tourists, and not hold residents accountable. Hey governor, you cant have it both ways…..
Actually, it would be nice if the tourists would stay out of SoCal, too. My little beach town is overrun with unmasked families. And yes, it’s very obvious the great majority of them are from elsewhere.
RJ, the desire of the governor and too many residents is this: “send your checks, stay home.” Without tourism and the military, Hawaii is bankrupt. But the people of Hawaii don’t have to work – as long as the current president is in office, they will get all the money they need. I always thought American could travel freely between the states.
Amen, Ige a “Lameduck”, a few years ago, he and Mazie Hirono blamed the U.S. Navy when there was a Nuclear Attack Warning in Waikiki (January 2019), while it was a City or County who failed Back-up Protocols. To the Pandemic, Ige followed took the $, cared not about local businesses that generate Tax revenue for the State. Now, he has 120,000 First Responders, Fire and Police not taking the Jab!
Once upon a time free travel within the United States including Hawaii was accepted as a norm. But then COVID came and in the panic that ensued that privilege, among many others, were thrown at the feet of false Gods of Politics in exchange for promises to “flatten the curve in 15 days”, advice of wearing a mask (or two) for 2 years to save yourself, and lock yourself away and shutter your home until some indeterminable point in time, etc.
Now we have the vaccines that are 95%+/- efficient in protecting us; except when we are told they aren’t. We have a substantial portion of the population not favoring nor accepting vaccination in the face of being repeatedly advised that COVID might kill you (yes, it can and does); COVID might destroy your quality of life (yes, it can and does; and, COVID may rob you of your future livelihood (yes, it can and does). I find it interesting that as much as 15-20% of the population of this nation rejects such advice. Such seems counter to the most basic will of a sentient being; self-preservation. Are they suicidal? Somehow I doubt it. Perhaps, just perhaps, the politicians and experts have contradicted themselves on one too many occasions, or perhaps the facts observed by the mere commoners outside the labs, pharmaceutical company boardrooms, and political offices don’t square with the varying theories.
Whatever the reason we now have successfully established a distinct dividing line between “them and us”. Distinguished by two injections that continue to shift in application and functionality on an almost daily basis.
So what do we do about this? Australia shoots dogs and build camps. New Zealand isolates an island that cannot support itself long term. The United States denies access to medical care for the non-vaccinated and denies them a place to earn a living.
I suggest we take a deep breath, reach down and pet our dog, and give serious thought to what we are becoming.
Please tell us what percentage of Hawaiian residents are unvaccinated. I am vaccinated and plan on taking the booster (3rd injection) as soon as available. Does the statement that unvaccinated are not welcome apply to residents as well as visitors? Maybe there needs to be more emphasis on getting residents vaccinated.
If I am not mistaken, a few newsletters ago, the Beat of Hawaii said that only 2% of those hospitalized with COVID were visitors. So, I am not sure why the visitors are the problem. Is it because the 2% is infecting the 98% that are hospitalized? I agree it visitors should have a pre-screened band, especially to exit the airport or be turned around and return home. All airports should do that.
Bonnie – You must be a COVID magnet knowing two people that died from the vaccine. You could be another statistic. However, in the US, from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021, only 6,968 deaths out of 363 million vaccinated. In case you want to face reality, I have included the link to the meaningless statistics.
cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Hollie—-great comments. Regarding the air travel. If they are not prescreened they should never be allowed on the plane. BC if they have it and 350 people on a confined tin can all have the risk of getting it as well. No transparency and being honest to board. Then they don’t board until they have a negative test in hand.
What’s interesting and was National News earlier this year, was a Couple with children, who boarded in Seattle and in San Francisco were to connect to Hawaii, United having a Testing Facility there, they tested Positive, both Adults, they were not challenged by United at Boarding to Oahu and as you mentioned potentially infected 150-200 people + those in Terminal, upon arriving in Oahu, they connected to Kauai and were allowed to Board and go on their way, potentially infecting another 150 people + those in Terminal. There was some mention, but nothing specific, but given Kauai’s Mayor’s outspokenness and the Islands very limited Hospital resources, this should be on all concerned, from Seattle Sea-Tac, SFO, United and Hawaiian. It would be interesting to measure what the fallout was!
I am concerned that October is coming
And i hope Hawaii is open for tourists
I hope no lockdown
I am concerned that Labor day is September 6
Thank you
Keep me updated as we get closer to October 1
And after Labor Day
Too
Our problem is we booked months ago and even bought travel insurance. But neither the condo owner nor the airline will give a refund or voucher for postponing! The insurance folks also denied us. So, if we don’t come in mid September, we throw away over $5,000. We get a refund only if Hawaii shuts down officially, but this “request” or “suggestion” to not travel means nothing to airlines and VRBOs. We’re stuck!! It’s a bad situation for people who want to do the right thing.
You knew this when you purchased this months ago.
Listening to KSSK 92.3 this morning, heard that there is a large group of University of Hawaii football team fans are going to the ULCA game. Did the Governor tell them not to come back unless the get tested? Again blame tourists, and not hold residents accountable. Hey governor, you cant have it both ways…..
Interesting, so it’s ok to come here into So Cal, but I’m not welcome there, even though I’m vaccinated.
Actually, it would be nice if the tourists would stay out of SoCal, too. My little beach town is overrun with unmasked families. And yes, it’s very obvious the great majority of them are from elsewhere.
RJ, the desire of the governor and too many residents is this: “send your checks, stay home.” Without tourism and the military, Hawaii is bankrupt. But the people of Hawaii don’t have to work – as long as the current president is in office, they will get all the money they need. I always thought American could travel freely between the states.
Amen, Ige a “Lameduck”, a few years ago, he and Mazie Hirono blamed the U.S. Navy when there was a Nuclear Attack Warning in Waikiki (January 2019), while it was a City or County who failed Back-up Protocols. To the Pandemic, Ige followed took the $, cared not about local businesses that generate Tax revenue for the State. Now, he has 120,000 First Responders, Fire and Police not taking the Jab!
Good Day Rod W.
Once upon a time free travel within the United States including Hawaii was accepted as a norm. But then COVID came and in the panic that ensued that privilege, among many others, were thrown at the feet of false Gods of Politics in exchange for promises to “flatten the curve in 15 days”, advice of wearing a mask (or two) for 2 years to save yourself, and lock yourself away and shutter your home until some indeterminable point in time, etc.
Now we have the vaccines that are 95%+/- efficient in protecting us; except when we are told they aren’t. We have a substantial portion of the population not favoring nor accepting vaccination in the face of being repeatedly advised that COVID might kill you (yes, it can and does); COVID might destroy your quality of life (yes, it can and does; and, COVID may rob you of your future livelihood (yes, it can and does). I find it interesting that as much as 15-20% of the population of this nation rejects such advice. Such seems counter to the most basic will of a sentient being; self-preservation. Are they suicidal? Somehow I doubt it. Perhaps, just perhaps, the politicians and experts have contradicted themselves on one too many occasions, or perhaps the facts observed by the mere commoners outside the labs, pharmaceutical company boardrooms, and political offices don’t square with the varying theories.
Whatever the reason we now have successfully established a distinct dividing line between “them and us”. Distinguished by two injections that continue to shift in application and functionality on an almost daily basis.
So what do we do about this? Australia shoots dogs and build camps. New Zealand isolates an island that cannot support itself long term. The United States denies access to medical care for the non-vaccinated and denies them a place to earn a living.
I suggest we take a deep breath, reach down and pet our dog, and give serious thought to what we are becoming.
Please tell us what percentage of Hawaiian residents are unvaccinated. I am vaccinated and plan on taking the booster (3rd injection) as soon as available. Does the statement that unvaccinated are not welcome apply to residents as well as visitors? Maybe there needs to be more emphasis on getting residents vaccinated.
If I am not mistaken, a few newsletters ago, the Beat of Hawaii said that only 2% of those hospitalized with COVID were visitors. So, I am not sure why the visitors are the problem. Is it because the 2% is infecting the 98% that are hospitalized? I agree it visitors should have a pre-screened band, especially to exit the airport or be turned around and return home. All airports should do that.
Bonnie – You must be a COVID magnet knowing two people that died from the vaccine. You could be another statistic. However, in the US, from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021, only 6,968 deaths out of 363 million vaccinated. In case you want to face reality, I have included the link to the meaningless statistics.
cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Hollie—-great comments. Regarding the air travel. If they are not prescreened they should never be allowed on the plane. BC if they have it and 350 people on a confined tin can all have the risk of getting it as well. No transparency and being honest to board. Then they don’t board until they have a negative test in hand.
What’s interesting and was National News earlier this year, was a Couple with children, who boarded in Seattle and in San Francisco were to connect to Hawaii, United having a Testing Facility there, they tested Positive, both Adults, they were not challenged by United at Boarding to Oahu and as you mentioned potentially infected 150-200 people + those in Terminal, upon arriving in Oahu, they connected to Kauai and were allowed to Board and go on their way, potentially infecting another 150 people + those in Terminal. There was some mention, but nothing specific, but given Kauai’s Mayor’s outspokenness and the Islands very limited Hospital resources, this should be on all concerned, from Seattle Sea-Tac, SFO, United and Hawaiian. It would be interesting to measure what the fallout was!
I am concerned that October is coming
And i hope Hawaii is open for tourists
I hope no lockdown
I am concerned that Labor day is September 6
Thank you
Keep me updated as we get closer to October 1
And after Labor Day
Too